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Old 02-14-2018, 12:30 AM
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Unhappy Mysterious Illness

Hi everyone,

My family budgie (Archimedes) has been ill for about a month now, and the cause is a mystery. Every couple of days, he becomes lethargic, refuses to eat despite all efforts, and spends most of the day sleeping. Once these days pass, he becomes well again. He starts playing, singing, talking, flying around - as happy as a bird can be. Several days later, he gets sick again, and the cycle continues.

When he first got sick, we took him to an avian vet and spared no expense on his checkups, including x-rays, blood tests, cultures, samples. You name it, we did it. At the end of it, the vet couldn't pinpoint exactly what the cause was, but noticed a slight bump in his throat as a potential cause, citing either goiter or cancer. We were given iodine to administer in his drinking water and instructions to ensure he drank it.

It has been 2 weeks now, and nothing has changed. It's unlikely goiter, but I find it hard to believe that it's cancer either. Why would cancer magically improve for a couple of days then suddenly regress in an endless cycle?

The rest of his test results say that he should be fine. We have taken very good care of him, carefully monitoring his diet, environment, sleeping location, toys/perches/flying room. Physically he looks great. Beautiful colorful feathers, healthy weight, great flyer. During the good days you would swear he was the healthiest, happiest bird...then the bad days come.

Archimedes has been surviving by eating a lot during the good days, and by forced feeding from our local pet store during the bad days. This is both exhausting for us and him, and becoming too expensive. Don't know what else to do. I hope someone here can solve the mystery.

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Old 02-14-2018, 06:42 AM
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I'm so sorry to hear Archimedes is having such problems. You've obviously done everything you can to try to obtain the proper diagnosis and treatment plan. I'm assuming the Avian Vet tested him for AGY and ruled that out?

Unfortunately, I don't have any great advice other than to start giving him knotgrass as an addition to his regular diet. You can't "overdose" in using it and it has helped some of our members' budgies overcome illness challenges.

https://www.talkbudgies.com/articles-...lp-tumors.html

You can purchase knotgrass through Amazon.
I use it with all of my birds along with their dried herb salad on a daily basis.

https://smile.amazon.com/Knotgrass-R...70_&dpSrc=srch

Have you asked your Avian Vet to consult with others in his field to obtain their opinions?

I wish you all the best with Archimedes and will be looking forward to your updates with regard to his progress.

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I'm so sorry that Archimedes is so sick Obviously you've done all you can so far. You've been given great advice by FaeryBee. I do hope that whatever it is is able to be cured!

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You've come to the best possible place to keep posted on the very best of budgie care practices!

Please keep us posted on little Archimedes' condition!

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As FaeryBee has asked, has AGY (Avian Gastric Yeast) been ruled out? A bird can be infected with it without the organism always being shed in the droppings and they can exhibit good days and bad days. Have you ever noticed whole seeds being passed in the droppings, that is one indication that you may be dealing with AGY. Hope you can get to the bottom of what is causing his illness.
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His droppings have been tested several times and nothing showed up. At one point he was left at the hospital for several days, if it is AGY it should have been detected.

We are taking him to another avian specialist today for a second opinion. His condition is getting worse though. He hit his bad day today and it's...bad.
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I'd suggest trying Sodium Benzoate to see if that helps Archimedes' symptoms.
You can discuss it with your Avian Vet.
Even though he may not have AGY, the treatment will not harm him in any way.

I use Sodium Benzoate as a preventative measure for all of my birds for a 30 day period a couple of times a year.
I use 1/8 teaspoon for 8-10 oz of water and mix it fresh each time the water is changed. (Twice daily)

The link below gives more details:

https://www.talkbudgies.com/articles-...ric-yeast.html

Please be sure to update us on your little one's condition after you see the second Avian Vet.

Sending prayers and healing energy for Archimedes.
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Took Archimedes to another avian specialist, one that came highly recommended by the local pet stores. After another round of tests and examinations, the only alternative explanation they could offer is a hormonal imbalance, possibly brought on by mirrors/toys. He was given injections and oral medicine, and we took the vets advice and changed our house. Unfortunately, this too has failed, and the second specialist is now left dumbfounded.

My mother has decided that it would be selfish to let Archimedes suffer any longer with the constant forced feedings, the medical exams, the endless cycle of illness. She intends to let nature take its course.

Despite our best efforts, it looks like poor little Archimedes will pass away in my mother's arms.
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Have you considered having Archimedes euthanized so that he does not have to continue to be in pain and suffering?
That seems to me to be a kinder alternative than letting him linger.
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