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Old 01-19-2015, 04:38 PM
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I have the same problem, but my female budgie is "harrasing" the male. They have around 8 months and lately things are even worse. I really thought that my male budgie is sick, he wasn't in the mood of anything except eating, he was whining a lot (he still is but not as much). I separated them, still in the same cage but I put a grill between them. He seemed disoriented and depressed. Since they've been separated, he started to be more active. I keep them inside only at night time, day time they are out, they have a tree playground full of toys.
When I got them, she was scared and following him all the time, now she just wants everything (they have two food bowls and two water, two calcium bones).
When they are outside on the playground he sleeps a lot and she chews the wood (branches and bridge). This thing helped me to make friends with him, he came on my finger and likes my attention. Not afraid anymore.
I got her a nest so she can chew, I had it inside the cage before separating them but HE seemed annoyed (scared) by it and I took it out.
I don't know what to do with her, she's kinda hyper, a lot of energy, and the poor little guy seemes so lonely. If she is on a branch on the tree and he tries to go there she is doing a weird sound like menaces him to leave. I don't understand why she's so mean and teritorial.

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How large is their cage? Can you post a picture?
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It sounds as though the two of them should be in separate cages to give the male some peace and quiet.

I would suggest you provide the female with lots of shredding toys and wooden toys she can chew, but do not give her a nest box at any time. Providing a nest box to a female can encourage breeding behavior and/or egg laying whether she is with a male or not.

If you are truly concerned about your little male being lonely and you have a cage that will easily accommodate two budgies, then you might consider getting him a little male friend to bond with and keep the female in a separate cage of her own.

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How large is their cage? Can you post a picture?
Just measured it, the cage is 13x13x18 inches. It was recommended to us at PetSmart. The grill that I put in the middle it's just temporary, I wanted to see if the male budgie will gain some trust and he did, I'll buy another cage for sure and keep them separately. But when I release them, they both go in the playground tree.
I'll post some pics as soon as I figure it out how because I'm on my phone and things look quite slow
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Just measured it, the cage is 13x13x18 inches. It was recommended to us at PetSmart. The grill that I put in the middle it's just temporary, I wanted to see if the male budgie will gain some trust and he did, I'll buy another cage for sure and keep them separately. But when I release them, they both go in the playground tree.
I'll post some pics as soon as I figure it out how because I'm on my phone and things look quite slow
Ah ha! The small cage size is part of the problem. Pet stores always recommend cages that are too small!

The minimum size cage for two budgies is 30x18x18". This is a wonderful and inexpensive cage: Petco Designer White Finch Flight Cage - Finch Flight Bird Cage from petco.com.

If you can afford a 30x18x36" "single flight cage," that would be even better. Let us know if you need recommendations.

Bar spacing must be no wider than 1/2". 3/8" is fine but 1/2" is better because it accommodates toys that attach to the cage bars.

Your two budgies also need daily out-of-cage flight time.
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Not the price of the cage is the problem, they got along in the beginning, he seemed really strong and confident, she started to molt first, after a week he was molting too. After that, she begun to chew a lot, she destroyed the wood bridge that we attached to the playground. And then, took over on all the toys in the playground, also water/food in the cage. Slowly he started to be afraid of her, watching behind his back when he was eating. He really seems depressed sometimes. I talk with them several times a day (I spend all of my time with them), trying to approach my hand, but SHE is so Hyper-energetic, she takes a short nap during the day, and all night (I keep them covered).
I release them out of the cage in the morning when I wake up and they go in only when they want to eat or sleep.
Things with him got a little worse after I put that nesting thing, he went in there first, after that, she took over, and everytime he was trying to go over there she was "threatening him"

This is one of the first pictures I took to them when I first got them:


Her cere got white (before molting):


Her cere got brown again(wasn`t so aggresive):


After I put that nesting box, he discovered it:


Then SHE took over:


He gained my trust and started to come on my finger:


This is the cage, separated by the grill in the middle.


Also I had to secure the sides with wires, the space was really really small but she figured it out how to sneak in and pass on the other side, going to pick on him(those are made today)



here, she went on his side from the roof top:



This is their playground:
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I have them sincer August-September last year (they have under one year now), I put that nesting box in the cage in December, after she was chewing too much, I didn`t want her to ruin the bridge from the playground so I thought she can chew a hole, to keep her busy.

After I noticed their nails are quite long, I bought some Sanded Perch Covers, but after 3 days, the male seemed really uncomfortable, couldn`t stand on his legs, keep raising them, left-right, After I took out the sand perches, he was better. Poor baby, he has to deal with the female rough attitude, no toys, no food, no water

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M2JFWoTwLs

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So my question is, I should buy another cage and keep them separately for a while? I release both of them on the playground? She`s obvious gelous when she sees me touching him on his side of the cage, wondering like:"Hey, what you`re doing, don`t let her touch you" ... in the same time, I can tell that she "misses" him, she`s going after him on the branch from the tree, where he stays, but sometimes when HE wants to join her, SHE makes weird sounds.
I feel bad for him when he`s whining, obvious he`s disturbed by something and I don`t know how to stop this
I give them a small piece of Millet Treat once a week, Daily vegetables and fruits, special food for molting. I got a pair, thinking that they will get along. When I was little I had one male budgie for six years, but everything seemed so easy with him !

Unfortunately I cannot get another male, I`m expecting a baby soon and I don`t want to have more problems, who knows what things will start having two males, fighting for teritory or for the female. And also I don`t want to give away none of them, they are my babies and I`m attached to them.

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Unfortunately, you were given bad advice from the Pet Store with regard to the cage they sold you. The cage you have currently is only large enough to use as a quarantine/hospital or travel cage.

Now that you've found this forum, you have the opportunity to learn the best methods for ensuring the health and happiness of your budgies.

We have many very knowledgeable and experienced people on the forum who are willing to offer you advice and suggestions for giving your babies the best care possible.

First of all, the cage you have is much too small even for one budgie so having a divider in the cage doesn't give either one of them nearly enough space.

Trying to house two budgies in a cage that small is not wise.
Adding a nest box complicated the problems. A female in breeding condition often becomes much more territorial and aggressive. Given the situation you are in right now, I'm sure you don't want to risk your birds breeding and giving her a nest box will encourage her to lay. There are many toys she can be provided to chew and or shred.

I suggest you get at least one cage a minimum of 30" wide by 18" long by 18" high.
However, the more space you can provide for each budgie, the better off they will be.
When it comes to cages, bigger is better. I actually have flight cages with one one or two birds in them to provide the
most space possible even though my budgies are given several hours of out-of-cage time each and every day.

If you can afford two cages, then I would recommend you purchase two and separate your birds. The cages can be side by side and the birds will be just fine.

You can give them supervised out-of-cage time when you are at home leaving the cage(s) open during their playtime so the male can retreat to his safe place when he's had enough of the females' behavior.

Sand perch covers should never be used. They can cause severe foot problems for budgies. You can purchase a "pedi-perch" instead which is much safer for your birds.

Please take the time to read the links I provided for you in the post below. Your budgies are very cute and I'm sure you want what is best for them - by reading, learning and changing some things in their environment, you will be able to give them a much happier and healthier life.
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Thank you for your message ! I will make some time this week to read everything you posted for me. Easy life for them, easier for me. I was (I am still) really concerned about his health. Sometimes he seems really sick (staying fluffy all the time, disorientated, sleeping too much, not talking just whining) and sometimes he enjoys my company, after he stayed on my finger for several minutes, he jumped on my belly and came to my nose and "tested" it, after that, he jumped on my shoulder and went at the cage. In the beginning I thought he's so friendly because he's in shock and doesn't realise what he's doing but after all that interaction I can tell that he was in the need for some attention/love. I know they are still really young (only 7-8 months old) and need more time to accommodate. I wonder if they will ever be a pair, is it possible in the future? I'll try to do everything you guys advise me to do, stept by step. She will ever change her bossy behavior? I got her from my husband's friend, she was living in bad conditions, smaller cage than mine, 5 birds, 2 parents and 3 babies. The "father" was really aggressive with the babies, all of them were really scared, he was even attacking one of them all the time, he even killed some :-(. I couldn't believe that someone can hold birds like that (also they were never released from the cage) and I was really happy I could save her.
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I'm very glad you rescued her. She sounds like she had a very hard start to her life and she may be acting aggressively because she was treated so badly by the Dad bird at the previous owners' home. Over time there is a chance she will calm down as she learns to be more trusting and realizes she no longer has to "fight" for food, water, room to perch and life itself.

We'll work through this a step at a time.
Someday maybe you'll choose to get a BIG cage and try the two of them together again, you'll just want to make sure you have the room to revert back to a second cage should the need arise.

(Your husband's "friend" should be reported for animal cruelty)
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