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Default Female Agression Help(Love Hate relationship)

Hi all,

First a quick thanks to all you dedicated posters. You have helped me to no end over the past year!
I would like some help with an agressive female i have. I have not lost all hope hence this post but i think she may need to be alone in a cage with a mirror for the rest of her life.

Sooooo some background:
Started with 1 male budgie
6 years old named Jackson
Green/Yellow on middle level in picture
Tame (ish) - he is a softy, very placid has lived with a mirror for a long time
Bought from an Aviary so is larger than other 2

9 months ago we bought a female
1 year old named Lady
Green/Yellow top left of picture)
Tame - Very aggresive (blood has been spilt) and main topic of conversation
Bought from pet shop

1 week ago we bought another male
~6 months old named bluey
Blue in right of picture
Untamed - very new to surroundings but settling in nicely
Bought from same pet shop

Lady was brought home and immediately put in a seperate cage but the 2 could see each other and over a few weeks was hand tame and brought into neutral ground with Jackson.
This is where it all starts:
Jackson is very forward (hormones i guess) lots of kisses, regurgitating which Lady accepts and even tilted head to allow him to preen her feathers in early days. She would peck him to get him to stop but this gradually got worse and worse and now she will actively seek him out when out of cage and even pull head feathers and try to bite feet etc. We would leave it weeks at a time and try to re-introduce but of course once blood is spilt its a no go.
Fair enough some birds dont like each other so were kept seperated - end of story.
A week ago we bought a MASSIVE cage and a budgie which was clearly the dominant one in the pet shop cage (but not aggressive) and had the most character/didnt seem to be bothered about us staring in at him.
Ideas start flying and i think maybe.... just maybe he is dominant enough to hold his own against Lady. Thinking being as she didnt like jackson but maybe because he's a wimp.
New cage, all new toys, seperate feeding dishes etc (in my head this is neutral ground to all 3 as its all new?)
With that we put them all in the cage (not moving eyes away and ready to whisk lady out) at the same time so none could claim it was already theirs (whats your thinking on this?).
A few minutes goes by and not much movement. The picture is of these first few minutes.
Lady quickly establishes a higher position (dominant female strike 1)
The two males new and old sit in the middle on the perch looking eerily around and waiting for the other to move.
Lady moves to the new bird after 10 or so minutes and start intimidating, pecking in which Bluey holds his own for some time and does not move from his spot but eventually gives up and moves away.
Then she starts on Jackson in which this was quickly stopped by putting hand in as a seperator. I thought lets give it a few more minutes... perhaps they are just trying to establish the pecking order and Bluey can show her a thing or to.
Lady then goes back after Bluey in which he almost immediately gives in and fly off to another part of the cage but she keeps seeking him out.
We put a stop to it obviously to make sure no blood was spilt and seperate the cage in half.
Lady now residing in the bottom half and the 2 males at the top.

Jackson and Bluey as predicted are getting along fine.... no fighting, still a little wary but lots of kissing and regurgitating and they are now also doing everything at the same time (sleeping, eating, preening etc) All is well!

I'm at a loss at this point... maybe it was not a good idea putting them all together at once but i wanted to make sure the cage was brand new to all of them and i could rule out territorial issues.
Is it the problem that maybe she bonded with me first? Am i the problem in this?
Why does she immediately go on the offensive? We bought her from the shop were she was in a cage with lots of other birds so im not understanding why this behaviour is occuring.
Once tame i will let Bluey out with Lady and see if we can start again but at this point i'm very doubtful.

Can anyone pitch in and help me figure it out or is she destined to be alone forever :-(

Thanks for listening

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I would like to see what others say on this as well. Based on my birds I assume she is establishing pecking order or she wants the other male to herself. I am thinking if you got another female so the numbers are even it will help out at least it helped with my birds.
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I would like to see what others say on this as well. Based on my birds I assume she is establishing pecking order or she wants the other male to herself. I am thinking if you got another female so the numbers are even it will help out at least it helped with my birds.
Hey thanks for replying

Thats unusual as i was under the impression that there "needs" to be more males than females.
In any case I would understand her behaviour if she wasnt also very aggressive towards both of them. Especially a new bird that she hadn't had any previous contact with.
If it was just about being the BIG CHEESE then fair enough but i thought that wouldn't extend further than just warning shots and the like. Actively seeking out another bird after it's submitted seems... well.... just nasty lol

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My recommendation is to remove Lady into a cage of her own and let Jackson and Bluey live together and become best buddies.

In general, females are more aggressive than males.
An even number of males to females is a better option than having more of one gender whether it is males to females or vice versa.
If your female is molting and/or in condition she may become even more aggressive than normal.

Personally, I don't think it is a good option to have a "bully" in with your other birds. Jackson and Bluey will be able to play enjoy their new cage and be quite happy if they don't have to deal with the intimidation and aggression from Lady. If it were me, I'd take the cage separation out and let the boys have the big cage. Put Lady back into the other cage.

You can try giving them closely supervised out-of-cage time together but you should always be ready to step in if Lady becomes aggressive with either Jackson or Bluey.

I certainly would not recommend getting another female. You already have one that is very aggressive. If you get another there is no guarantee that the two females won't fight one another. Then, instead of needing to have two cages, you'd end up needing to have three.

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Hi and to Talk Budgies!

My recommendation is to remove Lady into a cage of her own and let Jackson and Bluey live together and become best buddies.

In general, females are more aggressive than males.
An even number of males to females is a better option than having more of one gender whether it is males to females or vice versa.
If your female is molting and/or in condition she may become even more aggressive than normal.

Personally, I don't think it is a good option to have a "bully" in with your other birds. Jackson and Bluey will be able to play enjoy their new cage and be quite happy if they don't have to deal with the intimidation and aggression from Lady. If it were me, I'd take the cage separation out and let the boys have the big cage. Put Lady back into the other cage.

You can try giving them closely supervised out-of-cage time together but you should always be ready to step in if Lady becomes aggressive with either Jackson or Bluey.

I certainly would not recommend getting another female. You already have one that is very aggressive. If you get another there is no guarantee that the two females won't fight one another. Then, instead of needing to have two cages, you'd end up needing to have three.

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Hello,

Thanks for the welcome reply and links also.

I have been reading alot over the past year... mostly from here but i'm hoping by giving a more personal and accurate post of my situation someone may have an answer that could help steer me in the right direction.
I'm resigned to the fact that she will probably be in the cage on her own and her chances with Jackson is long gone but if i could make the relationship work with Lady and Bluey then at least they can have some recreation time together and maybe even partner up. After all Jackson is much older and when he is gone (heaven forbid) they will both be lonely.

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Are you saying you are hoping to breed Lady with Bluey in the future?
That isn't something I'd recommend doing with a hen you already know is very aggressive.

A responsible breeder always takes personality traits into consideration before breeding particular birds.

As I mentioned in my previous post, you can try giving the male budgies supervised out of cage time together with Lady to see how they get along.
If, over time, Lady and Bluey become friendly to one another then you can determine how you want to progress from there.
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No breeding is not my aim & agree with that statement. I'm just looking for a relationship with less pecking and more preening/kissing.
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