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Old 03-07-2015, 11:02 AM
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Question Wanted Opinions on Clipping

I saw the forum had a sticky clipping post, but I wanted to ask around and get other's opinions. 4 of my 5 budgies have clipped wings. They can get a few feet off the ground for momentary flight, but that's it. I have two brand new budgies, Zeus and Lux, whose wings I clipped to help with the bonding and training. My other two have clipped wings because they get far too over-stimulated in flight and fly and full speed into things, dazing themselves! My last one has fully grown wings, as he's mastered the obstacles around my room and can fly around my home without injury.
Please don't give me too much hatred for clipping wings. I wanted to see what your thoughts were! Wing clips have always helped me handle a new budgie better, and prevents injury as they are not used to their surroundings and are often simply terrified. However, flight is such a good exercise. They were born to fly, why strip them of their basic and beautiful ways?
Feedback on this matter would be much appreciated. Thanks!

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Old 03-07-2015, 11:58 AM
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I'm not here to give you hatred for having their wings clipped, but I do see it as wrong. The birds will fly and be very clumsy when they fly for the first time, but they are robust and that is how it is supposed to work. If they are terrified the first time they are outside their cage, I will advise you to make them be able to choose to go out when they are ready for it and to not push them out.

My boys can go nuts when I let them out, despite them having a large cage, because flying is so, so necessary. They are all grown up now, but one of them still crashes now and then. He's a bird, he's not supposed to be locked in a house, so when he gets excited about flying, he has so much energy he can't detain it, leading him to flying too fast to be able to turn properly. He would have been so miserable if he was clipped, because flying brings him so much joy, he would have to do something else to get out all of that energy and stimulate himself. Such as plucking.

Clipping to bond with them was never necessary. I tamed them one by one, in a small cage. When I let them out after I was sure they saw me as a budgie, they didn't fly away. They climbed up my arm, and sat there, with me. It took days before they tried flying. They crashed, and learned that I was a safe landing spot. They were tamed months apart, but they still reacted likewise when it came to coming out of the cage and not being interested in flying away.

I compare clipping birds wings to better bond with them etc and all of the other pros that comes with it, to amputating one of a dogs legs to train it to not run away from you. Yes, the dog will be slower and you can catch it if it runs away. Yes, it will in general be easier to control the dog. Yes, the amputating is painless. No, that doesn't make it ethical. We can't modify parts of an animal to make it better. Budgies fly. Dogs run fast. We have to give budgies the opportunity to fly and let it be a big part of their life. We have to let dogs run and get joy from it. Birds are made for flying, dogs are made for running. If you don't have the space for it, if you think it's hard to tame a budgie when it can fly away, budgies are not the pet for you. Get something born without wings, or a chicken for that sake. Hens flies like clipped budgies. A penguin.

Having clipped wings makes it even harder to fly. You don't have as much cintrol, it's harder to land, it's harder to take a turn. The bird can still fly, but flies as poultry. I once had a fat female who couldn't fly properly, and she injured herself a lot more than the ones who could fly normal did.

That is my view. This is just an opinion, which you asked for. It's not objective, but opinions are not supposed to be objective. I don't think clipping their wings makes you a bad person, but I do think it as wrong. Just as I am a vegetarian: I don't hate the ones who eat meat, even though I think it is wrong. If they ask, I offer them my opinion on why I do what I do, but I don't look down on the people who doesn't think the same as I do.

I look forward to hear what others have to say
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Yeah, that's my own problem with clipping, I dislike it. But I've had a few of my budgies for a fairly long time, and they just can't seem to fly without adjusting their speed. It hurts me to see them hit a wall so hard that they fall down and are too dazed to immediately get back up. Clipping my new one's wings has helped me tremendously so far, they've been preening themselves on my shoulders and letting me softly stroke their backs. I've had one for less than 24 hours who will already climb up on my finger, hand and arm to chirp in my ear! They'll be molting soon, so I'm in high hopes that their feather regrowth will come fast. I'm grateful clipping isn't permanent, because if it were, no one in their right mind would do it.
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Old 03-07-2015, 12:23 PM
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Yeah, that's my own problem with clipping, I dislike it. But I've had a few of my budgies for a fairly long time, and they just can't seem to fly without adjusting their speed. It hurts me to see them hit a wall so hard that they fall down and are too dazed to immediately get back up. Clipping my new one's wings has helped me tremendously so far, they've been preening themselves on my shoulders and letting me softly stroke their backs. I've had one for less than 24 hours who will already climb up on my finger, hand and arm to chirp in my ear! They'll be molting soon, so I'm in high hopes that their feather regrowth will come fast. I'm grateful clipping isn't permanent, because if it were, no one in their right mind would do it.
Thanks for the input Imaginary (:
I'm glad to hear how far you've come in the taming process, and that you'll let their feathers grow out again. Do keep in mind that they will go through the same crashing period as they would have gone through is the were able to fly as babies, so do let them have a couple of crashes so they can learn to fly. That is a pro of being a baby; when they are young, they are smaller and and have less muscles, so it is "safer" to learn to fly as a baby, than as an adult.
I hope the new one will continue to bond with you so easily
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It's a definite good sign! Yeah, this is the only time I'll have the new arrival's wings clipped. As for the two... clumsier ones, I guess they'll have to figure the flying out. It'll be a painful process to watch but it can be done.
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Dont agree with clipping budgies wings. Same as i dont believe in Declawing cats . Which i know is legal in the United States. But illegal in UK. That is my opinion. I would never have a budgies wings clipped.
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Declawing cats I've heard is the same as removing our fingernails. They don't grow back. [shudder]
Yeah, I've come to see that as far as other member's posts and a few messages I've gotten, most don't agree with it. I figured that. But, I did ask for opinions! And I'm just glad I've gotten some responses about it.
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Personally I can see advantages to both options, and I keep both fully flighted as well as budgies with a safety clip depending on where they live in my home

Unfortunately there is no cut and dry answer as to whether you should clip or not, despite strong opinions one way or another depending on who is asked

If you take a look at your personal circumstances and home set up I am sure you will be able to come to the best decision for you and your budgies
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I agree with Lindsey 100%.

There will always be individuals who come down very hard on either side of this discussion.

I've had both fully flighted birds and those with "safety clips" depending on circumstances at the time. All were healthy and happy. Those with the safety clips were able to fly just fine they just couldn't gain as much height or go quite as far.
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I have a lot of birds who are fully flighted... and I have some who have their wings done in a safety clip. The only time I think it's "cruel" to clip a birds wings is when they do it to far and instead of gliding they crash to the ground, that to me is cruel and doesn't do any good. If you clip your birds wings to where they can't fly at all inside, it still doesn't mean they won't take off outside. No reason to clip them that short.

I clip mine in a clip that let's them jump up about 3 feet and fly 6 feet away, when I clip them. This is my safety clip so that they don't land on the Indian Ringneck cage and get their toes bit off.
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