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Old 03-09-2015, 11:22 PM
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Default 2 Female Budgies exhibiting mating behavior?? Totally baffled

I have 2 female budgies... I think. Now I'm not so sure.

THE BIRDS
The eldest, Shayne (yes I know it's a boy name - newbie mistake) the yellow face, pied clearwing is 2 years old, has a brown cere and an obvious breast crease. She is the very smart, aggressive and insatiably curious one.

Sunny (the yellow) is also a year old and her (I think) cere is also brown and crusty like Shayne's, but she has a smooth breast. She is my skittish, gentle, loving little doufus who follows Shayne into trouble.

THE ENVIRONMENT
Is my office in which they are cage-free when I am home. It is a controlled environment (limiting mess and mischief), where they can look out the window into the back yard and fly freely. ...and get into trouble.

THE BEHAVIOR
Just last week Shayne became obsessed with crawling into my sleeve, even ignoring a millet sprig or a bath, something she NEVER does. I assume she's searching for a nesting site and is convinced it's up my sleeve. She's driving me crazy, especially when she decides that my arm doesn't belong in the sleeve and bites me. Shayne has always been a nipper (by that I mean bites that aren't too hard), but now she is biting very hard.

I read in a magazine that Shayne is going through a hormone spike... heat, season or whatever it's called.

What confuses me is that Sunny has always exhibited male behavior, such as:
  • Feeding Shayne
  • Mounting Shayne, although previously it had only been standing on Shayne's back and not accomplishing anything.

Just today, however, it looked like they were accomplishing something and actually mating.

If you look at the pictures, wouldn't you agree that these are two females?

I'm confused - or when you have a pair of birds who are both the same sex, does one start to act like the opposite sex and attempt to mate with the other?

Should I get a nesting box to be sure?

Pix 1: Close up of Shayne
Pix 2: Shayne (on left) and Sunny - yes they are up on the fire alarm.
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:23 AM
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You definitely have two females who are both in condition in those photos. Hormones being what they are, sometimes budgies will attempt to mate with very odd things, including a budgie of the same sex (although I've only heard of this with males).

You can help them out a bit by limiting their hours of sunlight, which will reduce their breeding instinct.

I'm sure that experts in breeding will chime in with much better advice, but good luck! They are adorable on the fire alarm
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Both your little beauties are unquestionably female and both are currently in condition.

The behavior Sunny exhibited toward Shayne in the past was typically dominant behavior. Sunny was both "taking care of" Shayne and letting her know she was "in charge".

Sunny is in condition and the behaviors you've described of wanting to nest, becoming more aggressive and trying to mate with Shayne are all "normal" expressions of her desire to breed.

You do not want to provide a nest-box or any dishes or areas that could be used as a nesting spot as that will encourage egg laying.
Females can lay eggs whether there is a male present or not -- the eggs are simply not fertile.

To prevent this, and any possible complications such as egg binding, please read the thread linked below:

https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...want-eggs.html
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Thanks so much for the information and the article. Yes, Shayne has been devouring the cuttlebone. Their cage is next to a window, but i can shut the blinds to reduce the light. That really calms them down.
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This behavior is definitely normal

When you have two budgies of the same sex together with no other mates possible, one of them will almost always take on the roll of an opposite sex bird. However, I have had quite a few budgies that displayed what is commonly considered the opposite behavior for their sex, even when they are with a opposite sex partner.

For example my one hens will almost always court and mount any male she is with although she will not do this with another hen, and another one of my males will act like a female when he is with a more dominant female, allowing her to feed him and mount him as if he was a female. Both of these birds are excellent parents and have great fertility rates with just about any mate they are given, they are just a bit quirky it seems

Bottom line... you have nothing to worry about other than avoiding egg laying as was mentioned
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