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As Deb said, a hen and a quite pretty one at that. You certainly can't tell hidden ilness's in a picture, but she look's to be a very healthy young hen, and she may just have loose dropping's from the stress of the new change, that is very common, and most of my bird's did for the first couple day's...

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She did have a soiled vent from the store. Of course they were walking among their droppings so it could be that.

If she stays I'm bringing her to get that band removed.
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Mine are all banded and I have never had any issues. Some people do get them taken off though and it seem's the vet's do it for very small fee...
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Do yours peck at the bands of others? Kiwi is doing this and even grabbing it and pulling (can't say I blame him).

I would hate to have to grab Plumb to clean her vent. Just when she's relaxing a bit, I'd stress her out again.

By the way, if I knew what I know now before we bought Kiwi, I would have never bought one. I would have bought two! Kiwi has come alive - not that he was dead or anything, but boy oh boy is he ever happy to have a play mate. He's just in seventh heaven. Again, my prior question comes to mind. If we do return Plumb and get another budgie for Kiwi, will bonding have already happened? How quickly do they bond?
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Plumb is a beautiful little female.

If you do choose to return her (and do I hope you reconsider)
I'd recommend getting another male rather than a female so you don't have to be concerned about discouraging breeding.

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So I read these articles - very informative! But it seems that to discourage breeding you really have to remove the male (yikes!) The other factors would only decrease the likelihood but not eliminate it.

How about removing the nest box? Or will she just start laying eggs elsewhere?
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You should never have a nest box in the cage with a female unless and until you are properly prepared to actually breed a pair of budgies. That entails having both the male and female on a conditioning diet for a period of time
prior to placing the two in the breeding cage along with the nest box. There are many other considerations to breed properly but I don't think you are at a point where we need to discuss all that at this time.

When you have a female budge, you don't want anything that could be a potential nesting site available in the cage. Yes, sometimes a female who becomes extremely determined to breed will lay elsewhere such as in a food dish or on the bottom of the cage. However, if you limit the hours of daylight and follow the other recommendations in the link you will have much better odds that you won't have to deal with unwanted eggs.
Yes, you are correct that to be 100% sure there is no breeding males and females sometimes have to be separated but that is not always the case.

With regard to your question about bonding between Kiwi and Plumb, Kiwi is sure to be sad if his new friend is taken away so soon after he's met her, but he won't be bonded to her after just a couple of days.

Is the band on Plumb's leg a closed plastic band?
I'm surprised that Kiwi doesn't have one as well since most breeders use them.
All of my budgies have bands and none of them fuss with them in the least.
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I would clean her vent. wear a glove or use a small towel so she doesn't fear your hand because of it. It really can become a problem if left go.

Mine don't peck at their own or each other's band's, but it does happen and would be a reason to consider removal.

You don't want a nestbox or anything that resembles it. I have two males and two females and have never had egg's to this point.

Budgies are very social bird's and highly value other budgies, so your Kiwi reacting like he has is no surprise. In my opinion you should keep her, and if your not going to, you need to make that decision now and return her ASAP because they are getting more fond of each other by the minute.
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Is Plumb's vent dirty from loose runny poop or is it coated with stuck on poop?

If problem is simply that the feathers are soiled and not the vent itself, then Plumb will clean the feathers off herself when she is preening. You might offer a shallow dish of water in the cage -- perhaps Plumb will decide to try a bath which would help as well.

The main thing is that you don't want sticky poo clogging her vent which is explained in the link I gave you about "Pasting of the Vent". If the problem is sticky poo such as described in the link, you'll need to catch Plumb in a soft cloth in order to clean her up. Using a cloth to catch her will help ensure she doesn't associate being caught with your hand.

I agree with Randy that the longer you have Plumb the harder it will be on both her and Kiwi should you decide later to return her.

May I ask why you no longer want her?
If it is only the matter of the loose poop -- I don't think that should be your deciding factor at this point.
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That is a beautiful little female, and pretty young too. I would keep her, especially since Kiwi seems happy with her.
If you do get another budgie, there is no guarantee that Kiwi will like him.
Give it some time, that's my advice.
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You should never have a nest box in the cage with a female unless and until you are properly prepared to actually breed a pair of budgies ... but I don't think you are at a point where we need to discuss all that at this time.

However, if you limit the hours of daylight and follow the other recommendations in the link you will have much better odds that you won't have to deal with unwanted eggs.

Is the band on Plumb's leg a closed plastic band?
I'm surprised that Kiwi doesn't have one as well since most breeders use them.
All of my budgies have bands and none of them fuss with them in the least.
You are absolutely right that we're not even remotely close to thinking about breeding. I just don't want to "accidentally" be faced with it. How much can I limit daytime hours by?

Plumb's band is metal, not plastic. Maybe it's because Kiwi doesn't have one that he goes after it - ? Don't know why Kiwi's breeder doesn't use them. But if it escalates I'll look to make an appointment to remove it. There's no way that I'm trying that myself!

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Is Plumb's vent dirty from loose runny poop or is it coated with stuck on poop?

The main thing is that you don't want sticky poo clogging her vent which is explained in the link I gave you about "Pasting of the Vent".

I agree with Randy that the longer you have Plumb the harder it will be on both her and Kiwi should you decide later to return her.

May I ask why you no longer want her?
If it is only the matter of the loose poop -- I don't think that should be your deciding factor at this point.
The picture attached is not the best. The soiling is a little worst that what it looks like in the pic. The vent is not clogged, just the feathers soiled. Around the vent, though I see pink flesh. Is it that she's missing feathers from around the vent area? And if so, is this bad?

The longer this goes the longer that it's hard on Kiwi . . . and all of us too. It's been one day and the kids are beginning to get attached. And I can't deny that tPlumb is growing on me too. Of course you guys aren't helping any either.

The main reason for me wanting to return her would be sickness. The second that she's a female (I know sexual discrimination). I've read some conflicting reports on female temperament, but quite frankly never wanted to find out first hand. I remember growing up with a pair of budgies (male & female) and she was quite aggressive! That may have been due to inexperienced budgie owners - my parents were not really experienced. Regardless, that was my motivation.

I think she's a beautiful bird and that they're getting along so well is so enjoyable. I am not able to return to the store until this Saturday (it's over 3 hours drive away) so the way things are going, I doubt very much that we'll be able to return Plumb (sigh - if they weren't so cute . . . )

I'll keep you guys posted.
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