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Old 05-19-2015, 10:34 AM
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Unhappy Depressed/Injured Budgie... Please help

Hi there,

I posted in here a little while ago about my bird Blue who was under the weather and you all were extremely helpful and I'm hoping you can help me with Bud. I apologize for the lengthy read but I believe every detail may be important.

I got Bud at the end of December/beginning of January as a gift to Blue who had some trust issues and had grown to love us after lots of time and patience and we figured she was lonely so we got her a pair. We did the integrating correctly, first kept them in ear shot, then side by side cages, then moved them into the big cage that Blue was in and re-arranged all of the furniture. Instantly they were "kissing" and talking with each other. Bud would follow her around the cage and do whatever she is doing. It was adorable. They were even trying to mate, Bud was trying to get on her back and Blue was arching her back etc. It might be worth mentioning that Bud is a little younger than Blue as we got him from a PetSmart.

Suddenly, a few weeks ago, maybe more, I started to see the kissing and courting less. Then suddenly I noticed Blue was bullying him a lot. Then, the bullying turned to unbearable for Bud. She would bite his tail and chase him off of perches I couldn't tell if it was away from food and water but I am assuming so, and he would fall from the top all the way down to the cage floor and I let this go on for a week as at first it was not constant and I was not sure if maybe Blue was pregnant and thats why she was bullying him but one morning she was being extremely vicious and I saw her grab his stomach and bite and the poor noises Bud was making so I rushed over and got our spare cage and separated them...

The thing with Bud is he has always been scared of us since the second we got him. Admittedly, we could have put in more effort for him to not be scared of us but I don't know how to make something like me when it thinks im going to eat it. He goes into a statue when I come near. So when we tried to get him out of Blue's cage we tried not to use our hands and tried to encourage him on to a perch well he got scared of the perch naturally and flew out and landed on our back mat and got his toe stuck in the rug and when we tried to approach him to help him (after seeing he couldnt free himself) he started to panic and try to get away and hurt his leg. We finally got him in the new cage and he was hobbling a bit. I don't believe its a break it appears to just be a sprain as he is still sort of using it to stand and stuff just cant walk back and forth on a perch comfortably.

So now Bud is in this unreasonably sized cage just sitting there as he can barely walk around. I haven't heard him chirp in weeks. If I go to give him food he 100% will panic and fly around in his cage bashing himself on stuff. I cant refill his water. He is terrified of me. It is heartbreaking. I just want to give him some TLC and he thinks im a predator. I don't know what to do. Is it possible that Blue is pregnant? I put in a nest box when the bullying began figuring she was pregnant but I cant tell, her vent doesnt look like its bulging like I've seen on pictures online but she is going in the nest and softening up the ground and stuff so idk. I never noticed if Blue's cere got dark brown at any point.

I guess what I'm looking for is how to get Bud to trust me or if its possible at this point. Why is Blue bullying him? and will I ever be able to have them together again? What's the cause of this? He has nobody right now not even himself. I'm tearing up as I write this because I feel so bad for him as I glance over and he is sitting there silent and in the same spot. I have the house warm for him and its quiet in here so Bud can recover but he looks incredibly sad. Like I said, I haven't heard him chirp in so long. Please help me help my little Bud

Edit: I have just noticed I posted this in "General Budgie Talk" that's my mistake but I am unsure how to move it. Apologies.


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Old 05-19-2015, 11:07 AM
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I'm sorry to hear of the problems you're having with your budgies.
And the traumatic event where Bud got his foot stuck and injured while he was panicking.
This is why it is important to work on taming your budgies in order to have at least a foundation of trust. Even the shyest of budgies can learn the basics as far as training goes, so that the panick attacks end when apporaching the cage.
I suggest you read the info at the Training and Bonding section of the forums and take it easy with Bud. For his overall health, he needs to at least be a little trusting and accepting of you, so you are able to have a better check on him.
I don't know the extent of his foot injury, but maybe the vet should at least have a look at it, Bud may be needing some pain medication or anti inflamatory.

The fact that you decided to put a nest box in the cage also made things worse by aiding the escalation of fighting.
If there were no sucessful matings done in a consistent way, your Blue is not carrying any eggs. Even if she were to lay the eggs, they would not be fertile.
The best thing to do here is to remove the nest box altogether. This is only encouraging your Blue to get broody and start to lay infertile eggs.

Given your Blue's vicious nature, I wouldn't put them back together ever again and keep her solo in her cage.

After establishing a bond with Bud, which will take a good amount of time, given everything he went through, I would find him another friend, a sweet tempered male budgie.

I hope your Bud's foot heals well and I wish you the best of luck in training him. Just finger tame is enough. I have had plenty of shy budgies over the years and know it's possible to work with them to have them willing to step up to our fingers and to let us have a general check up on them whenever needed.
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Old 05-19-2015, 11:40 AM
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I forgot to mention that in order to get your Bud more comfortable, you can cover 3 sides of his cage with a blanket/cloth and leave the front part uncovered. When approaching the cage try to do so in slow motion, avoid sudden movements with your arms and hands while near the cage and when changing his water/food.
You can sit close to Bud's cage and gently talk or read to him. You can do short 20 -30 minutes sessions like twice a day or so, in order for him to get more used to you and realize you are not there to hurt him. When he starts to get closer to you and getting more curious, then you can take a step further towards taming him. You can offer him a little tasty treat and start to work on the step up command.
Having the TV or radio on will also make your budgie feel more safe and not on "alert mode" all the time.
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Thank you so much for your response.

I feel so sad and have extreme guilt in not getting closer to him in the 4 or 5 months that I have had him. I should have put more effort in but every attempt I made scared him so I was just talking to him, often and frequent throughout the day, but that's all. He would just sit and stare at me, not flee or anything. But I felt he was listening. I haven't, until this whole fiasco, touched him with my hands. While I talk to him I make my hands present so he can see they aren't a harm. If I do so much as offer him spray millet he is scared of the spray millet. He shys away and tries to get away from it. Not panicking, just leaving. This is what I have been doing for months. I was taking the "baby steps" approach. I didn't want to rush him into trusting me, I did not foresee this happening. Now he is probably 100x more scared of me (I really hope that he is intelligent enough to acknowledge that the rug hurt him not us or I am just heartbroken) and I just want to love him but I don't know how to backtrack from here.

I also haven't been able to get them to eat fruit or vegetables. Several days of the week I put a variety of things in there and I am always taking it out untouched. I know Bud ate it at the pet store. I feel like I am failing my Budgies so much . I have had every kind of pet before and these are my first birds and they are so delicate and intelligent I absolutely adore them.

So would you suggest that I firstly remove the nest box. I suppose I misread the signals. I cant 100% guarentee they actually carried out the mating. For a time I thought she looked pregnant by comparing to what I saw online, it was hard to tell, so thats why the nest box got put in there but clearly that was a rookie mistake.

It breaks my heart to have to separate them but you are correct, for now. She became a hazard to him. I will keep them this way and work on my relationship with Bud the best I can and go from there. Is there a reason why she would be smittin with him then suddenly hate him and do you have any advice or links that I can look into working with a frightened/shy budgie?

Thank you again, I am so grateful.
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You definitely need to remove the nest box and you also need to separate Blue and Bud into different cages as soon as possible. It is not fair to Bud to have to put up with being bullied continually and you can not run the risk of having Blue attack Bud again.

Once you have Bud safely and happily settled into a cage of his own you can begin to work on gaining his trust.
This will take time and patience.

To build his trust, sit by his cage and read, talk or sing quietly to him for a period of at least 10-15 minutes, 3 or 4 times day. After the 2nd or 3rd day, rest your hand on the outside of the cage when you talk to him so he'll learn that your hand is safe and will not hurt him.
You may need to stay with this step for a few weeks.

When you feel Bud is receptive, then begin to rest your hand inside the cage when you talk.
Don’t make sudden moves, don’t try to touch him.
Let him get used to the idea that the hand is now in his safe place and not harming him.
In a couple weeks or so, you can then begin moving your hand slowly toward Bud and begin your taming and bonding sessions. If he becomes agitated and tries to get away from you, simply stop moving and calmly reassure him.

Please take a look at this thread:

https://talkbudgies.com/training-bond...id-people.html

You can also take a look through the stickies at the top of the Training and Bonding section of the forum for other tips.

Additionally, there are stickies in the Diet and Nutrition section of the forum giving advice on ways to introduce foods to your budgie. Again, it takes time and patience.

Good luck and please let us know how things progress for Bud. Perhaps down the road you can get him a little male buddy to keep him company.
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You definitely need to remove the nest box and you also need to separate Blue and Bud into different cages as soon as possible. It is not fair to Bud to have to put up with being bullied continually and you can not run the risk of having Blue attack Bud again.

Once you have Bud safely and happily settled into a cage of his own
As I said before they have been separated for a few days now when I saw her attacking him and I removed the nest box from Blue's cage today.

Going forward Bud and I will be working on our relationship but I am concerned about his relationship with Blue. I don't want to give up on her/them or is it entirely typical that a bird may suddenly not enjoy the company of the other and never go back to enjoying them?

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I personally would never be comfortable with allowing Blue to ever be together with Bud in the future. Blue has attacked Bud and in my experience, once a bird perceives another as vulnerable, given the chance the aggressive one will attack the other again.

I would get Bud a nice new properly sized cage and perhaps even move him into a different room for awhile to give him time to recover from his trauma while you work to regain his trust.

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Part of a budgies makeup is their personality, all budgies have their own personality just as we do. Some like company some prefer to be alone. Some budgies have out of cage time together but have separate cages.
It is time consuming process learning to read the body language and antics.
Hens can become aggressive when in condition, for this reason I would not encourage placing a nesting box in her cage.
Give time and love and patience to Bud. Perhaps another male budgie in time will help him.
Take things slowly and try to work with him as often as possible .
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I know how distressing this can be for you as well as the bird. In my experience, I agree that once an aggressive pecking order has been established it cannot be unravelled. Budgies are generally gregarious, but some do prefer to be top bird alone, or it can even be a chemical dislike just as happens with humans.

I agree that some level of understanding and comfort zones can be achieved with even the most frightened bird, but patience and realistic expectations are the key, as already already suggested. I have found that even if permanent separation is necessary, often you can still keep the cages in the same location and everyone will be happy. But I think your first priority is to get him more comfortable with you - you should at the very least be able to reach the non-panic stage with consistent reassurance through your voice, time and patience.
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