I was over at the parrot forum where I mentioned my dream of taking two budgies together for a walk in their pak-o-bird backpack, and someone commented this:
"And both your birds would be much happier not going on trips in backpacks and having a mate of their own species, instead. People tend to think of birds as little humans or feathered dogs but they are neither, they are highly social birds and the small species don't really need humans for anything but providing good husbandry as long as they have a mate or a small flock. They love us out of their peremptory need for company and the goodness of their hearts, not because we deserve it.... Tiels and budgies are not really companion species. People force this type of relationship on them but it's not natural to them because they are intensely flock oriented and do a million times better with other tiels than with the most loving human."
I sort of agree, given that humans can never meet the 24/7 social needs of their singular budge, but if you have a couple of budgies I see no reason why "budgies are not really companion species."
I think you could make that argument with any pet. Or with domestic cattle. Of course our intervention is not natural, but you can say that for anything including growing crops! A bit of a high handed attitude if you ask me - you could also argue that we should still live in trees and be hunter gatherers! I bet the person saying this would not want to give up their nice warm house and supermarket food!
What is important in my opinion is that all parties get something out it. Providing food, shelter, protection from predators and healthcare in return for enjoyment of bird behaviour and an element of bonding is a fair trade in my view. In a sense it is creating a new dimension for the bird that it cannot access in the wild. I am sure we are not imagining our birds' enjoyment of our company!
If they are born in the wild then yes they should be left alone. But you are on shakey ground if you apply that to what are now domestic species.
I agree also... And i disagree that they don't love us, I've seen way to many of them show that they do love me, as well as the rest if the flock. If what this person said was true, then the birds wouldn't ever have a reason to play with me, but they have excepted me as part of the flock.
Generalizations are never rules, there are examples of small birds here who choose humans over an available flock.
With my devil's advocate hat on, I would suggest that the same argument applies, regardless of size - larger parrots are better in flocks too! There's flocks of corellas, cockatoos, galahs, red rumps and lorikeets outside my house right now that backs that up, and I observe their behavior close up daily. Not everyone gets to see a flock of large birds, but because it's relatively easy to see a flock of small birds they assume things are somehow magically different. They're not.
Not every large species flocks - rosellas tend to pair, so there is variation, but to suggest that size is the only factor influencing this behaviour is not right.
Agree with previous comments...if, this individual is on a parrot forum, what bird are they homing - why is it not meant for a 'flock' situation and why do they believe only the two smaller breeds are never meant for 'human' company/interaction ?
Animal psychology is hard...we have interfered with many species - obviously, birds kept in an aviary situation are far removed from birds in the wild...this person may, or may not know about the psychology of our feathered friends, but everyone has an opinion, eh!
I once had a person attack me, 'cause I was hand-raising a cockatiel - they believed that it should be existing out in the wild, as with all birds - it was from aviary breed parents and was free to fly off into the world whenever it wished to, but didn't.
Don't let this individual 'concern' you...your budgies are happy, well cared for and have a 'feathered' companion, as well as yourself - let them have their opinion, (highlighted for more intensity), and you have yours! Enjoy your budgies
__________________ I never for a day gave up listening to the songs of our birds, or watching their peculiar habits, or delineating them in the best way I could.
That's why I choose to hang out at talk budgies, the folk's here who really know a lot about bird's don't feel compelled to act like know-it-all's and berate or talk down to folk's. Carte blanche, matter of fact type statement's like this one are better left for undeniables such as the sun is the color of fire, or living thing's will die without water, etc. When they are applied to highly debatable and "not one size fit's all" type topic's such as this, they just make the source look foolish....
and that's all I got to say about that...
He came down from Heaven unto this earth below
He came down from glory and praises untold
He came down to man fashioned in their way
He came down to rescue, He came down to save
For reference, I check out this person's profile and it says:
"Birds breeds owned: Toos, grays, zons, tiels, budgies, canaries, finches, cardinals, senegals, jardine, redbelly, jenday, quaker
Number of Birds Owned: 40"
So they are not exactly someone I want to emulate. I just feel like whenever I am on that forum I am stepping on egg shells. I created another post called "Describe our dream days with our birds, past or hopeful" and after I gave mine as an example this person replied in a way that seemed to criticize me again
Maybe I'll just hang out on TalkBudgies from now on instead.
Oh! It's all crystal now as soon as I saw the bird list!
I've unfortunately stumbled across the exact same person as you, and it's why I don't go there anymore either. On a forum dedicated to clicker training, this person's only positive contribution on sharing my video of Wiki's tricks was "I feel sorry for the bird."
Like you I was quite taken aback. Then I read more, and realised that this is their particular high horse, and they'll get on it whenever possible. They keep large birds without realising their own hypocrisy, and attack small bird owners who don't have a flock/aviary situation. So knowing nothing about you or me, our situation or our bird's situation, their default response is one of slapping you and I around the head with their opinions. Don't waste your energy, and don't feed the troll. You won't change their mind, but here we can change budgie ownership for the single birds and small flocks, one bird, one person, one cage at a time with gentle persuasion and helpful guidance - not a brick to the temple.
I'm sorry you had to cross their path, let me give you a hug and tell you what a great birdie carer you are for enhancing the care of all the littlest!