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A couple of weeks ago Opie died, he and Bebe were two very bonded boys. Since then, Turk and Louie have been trying to win Bebe's affection, yes they are all boys. I am not sure if Bebe has a favorite as I see him interacting and feeding both of these guys. There is one other male that lives with them in 2
F040 cages that have been joined together so they have plenty of space.
This morning they were all out of the cage and Turk and Louie were fighting in mid air. Bebe was sitting on their tree and as soon as one landed next to him the other would swoop in and start a fight to get the other away from Bebe.
I don't mean just a push, they were locked together tumbling over one another and when I broke it up they tried to begin again. I have never experienced this type of aggression between males, will this pass or am I going to have to separate them? I have them separated now hoping they will all calm down. Here is a picture, Turk on the left, Bebe in the middle, Louie on the right.
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Old 07-04-2015, 11:58 AM
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I'm sorry that your Opie's passing has changed your flock's dynamics so much that you are now experiencing violent behaviour from your budgie boys.
Given the fact that your boys even lock into fight during out of cage time and things can go from bad to worse very quickly, it really is best to separate your boys on a permanent basis and for now to not let them have out of cage play time together.
This only comes to show that even while having the biggest of cages, when budgies are very determined they can and will continue to chase, bully and engage in violent fighting.

I hope things will get better soon after you sort their housing arrangements.
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My two males (Kapi and Sini) get into serious chases sometimes, with the purpose of the chaser to mercilessly drive off the other male off any and all surfaces he happens to be on - relentlessly - which leaves the pursued male with hardly and time to catch his breath for minutes in a row, but I have to say that, thankfully, this doesn't happen often.

Most of the time they coexist peacefully and occasionally feed each other, even if chase-with-intention-to-fight episodes happen from time to time.

I hope that the situation between your two boys will change for the better. If it doesn't, you will most likely have to keep them apart.

Perhaps slightly off-topic: I have four females and two males in two cages. They choose which cage to go in and every day they are in different combinations. I just make sure I have four birds per cage at most, hoping to catch them when three are in, so that I can close the door to the cage, so that the other three will go in the second cage. Many people are of the opinion that females are "more difficult" in terms of territoriality/aggression. My experience has been very different. I have four extremely friendly girls - between each other and with the boys.

I guess what I am trying to say is that problem behaviours are not a male/female thing. It is a "bird" thing as they are individuals.
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Thanks Aluz. Do you think introducing a female for one of them would help? I have separated the two F040 cages now, if things don't calm down I'll have to move one of the cages to a different spot in the house.
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Thanks Aluz. Do you think introducing a female for one of them would help? I have separated the two F040 cages now, if things don't calm down I'll have to move one of the cages to a different spot in the house.
Do you mean a new female or one female of your flock that your budgie already knows and has a good relationship with?
If you are planning on getting a new one, it's best to wait till the tempers cool off and your boys' frame of mind aren't focused on the chase/attack pattern.
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My two males (Kapi and Sini) get into serious chases sometimes, with the purpose of the chaser to mercilessly drive off the other male off any and all surfaces he happens to be on - relentlessly - which leaves the pursued male with hardly and time to catch his breath for minutes in a row, but I have to say that, thankfully, this doesn't happen often.

Most of the time they coexist peacefully and occasionally feed each other, even if chase-with-intention-to-fight episodes happen from time to time.

I hope that the situation between your two boys will change for the better. If it doesn't, you will most likely have to keep them apart.

Perhaps slightly off-topic: I have four females and two males in two cages. They choose which cage to go in and every day they are in different combinations. I just make sure I have four birds per cage at most, hoping to catch them when three are in, so that I can close the door to the cage, so that the other three will go in the second cage. Many people are of the opinion that females are "more difficult" in terms of territoriality/aggression. My experience has been very different. I have four extremely friendly girls - between each other and with the boys.

I guess what I am trying to say is that problem behaviours are not a male/female thing. It is a "bird" thing as they are individuals.
Thanks for the reply, I'll have to keep them apart for now, they were friends before Bebe lost his buddy Opie.
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Do you mean a new female or one female of your flock that your budgie already knows and has a good relationship with?
If you are planning on getting a new one, it's best to wait till the tempers cool off and your boys' frame of mind aren't focused on the chase/attack pattern.
It would have to be a new one, I have 2 females but they are already paired up with a male. I'll wait and see if tempers cool down now that they are separated.
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I am also very sorry about the passing of little Opie.

Sorry I forgot to mention that in my original post.
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I am also very sorry about the passing of little Opie.

Sorry I forgot to mention that in my original post.
Thanks, he was a sweet goofy little guy, I never thought his passing would lead to this trouble between the boys.
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Thanks, he was a sweet goofy little guy, I never thought his passing would lead to this trouble between the boys.
They are lovely, aren't they? My flock's dymanics changed all the time for quite a while before my birds settled down into living together in harmony.

Give them some time, even separated. They might easily come around.
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