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Old 07-07-2015, 01:30 PM
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So we have a male and female that have been together for a few months. The male is a little older than a year old and the female is just having her first molt where she begins loosing the rings around the top of her head.

I would say that they have bonded. They prune each other and he regurgitates and feeds her every so often. Also they sleep on the swing together.

But gradually she has become more and more aggressive with him. She takes swipes as him, which usually miss. But she's also bites at his legs pulling at them. Once he was on the little ladder and she got a good grip of his leg pulling at it from below. Since he was off balance he couldn't get a strong enough grip to break free. I had to come up to the cage which made her release him.

Now anytime she moves around him, he backs off whether she's coming around to attack him or just moving around the cage. He's been trained to expect her to attack him. She often chases him off a perch that she's on. He's still really happy most of the time singing and going through his day. I hear what I've learned is a distress/warning call from him when she attacks him when they're just put to bed with the cover over their cage. She's turning out to be a real bully from what I'm seeing.

Is it possible that it is the cage size? (
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) I know that it is a little on the small side since it is vertical instead of horizontal (bought it before I knew the difference). I would hate to have to separate them since he came alive when she arrived - totally different bird. Because of this I'm now a big believer that they should never live alone. But it is something that I don't like happening. Either she's a bully or he's a wimp - or both!

Is this normal behavior? I know I was told that the stereotype that females are more moody/aggressive than the males wasn't true, but it sure seems like it in this scenario. I've read some posts where their is actual blood drawn - that has never happened. Should I wait until it does happen? Any help is appreciated.

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Old 07-07-2015, 01:37 PM
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I would definitely separate the two of them as her behavior is what I consider "bullying" and no bird should have to tolerate being bullied incessantly. I'd suggest getting another cage and placing it right next to the current one you have. That way the two can interact safely through the cage bars. In essence, neither is truly alone -- they just each have their own separate space.

You can still give them closely supervised out-of-cage time together so you will be on hand to step in if there is any aggressive behavior on the part of the female toward the male.
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I was afraid of that response.
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Sorry.
It is better to separate them before she ends up seriously injuring him though and if she actually pulls on his legs she may end up biting off his toes.
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She seems to go after the leg itself and not the toes. Almost at the joint. Makes my blood boil.
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I hope you have another cage you can move her into right away.
This isn't something you can delay taking action on.
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Hi Amdg,

I'm sorry this is happening but Deborah is right, it is definitely safer to separate them. They will still have each others company and you will have peace of mind. They can always have supervised out of cage time together. The last thing you want is to come home one day to a blood bath.
The other option you could try is perhaps get another male budgie and keep him with your current male in a seperate cage from your female?
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Please, Please stop being mad at your bird.

She is responding to hormones racing through her body and like human teens she may be a little "messy " with the response.
How many times did your parents have to hold back their frustration for you?

For the first 2 years change and grow so rapidly that I would feel like my head was on a swivel. The behavior today will change often and quickly.

Unfortunately young budgies are whisked away from their parents at critical
growing stage in their young lives and never get the benefit of learning to be budgies from their parents.

Hopefully they find a forever home with good people parents to love them and help them finish growing up.

In our aviaries our babies up to 8 to12 months stay in a baby flight with a few hand picked group of adults, usually cocks. This is an important time as the personality is forming. If you want a gentle adult budgie they need to learn how to share and get along, just like little kids in pre K do.

That’s what our cocks are asked to do. This is a natural progression as the hen cares for chicks in the nest box and then the cock weans them. After the first year they should be ready to live in either a balanced flight of hens and cocks or in separate flights of cocks and hens. Budgies are big family birds and somebody in the family need to teach them what is expected of them.

It is critical that breeders refame from breeding adult birds with severe aggressive traits.
By the time you take a baby home, you have no idea what has happened to that baby or whether it may have been attacked /bullied force to fight to get enough food to eat etc.

Ethical breeders do not allow these things in their flights and individual birds can be worked with to overcome some of these issues. It takes a lot of time and money so many birds do not get much of a chance.

We work with each bird till they express a sense of self and can stand up for their own space, We like spunky kids. They will not all be alike, but hopefully they will form bonds with one or several other budgies during this growing stage. Some may get to stay together for the rest of their lives. We have an older pair of Budgies that have been together in our aviary close to 8 years. Brad and Angie formed a bond in another aviary,
I asked another breeder to pick out a compatible breeding pair for me to purchase
for my breeding program. It was a good choice and well worth the cost. So much so that they will get to live out their lives together in peace and harmony in our aviary. Periodically we bring them in to spend time together like a second honeymoon. We do not let them have a nest but they get to spend hours preening and loving each other like older humans when the kids have moved on to produce their own families.
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Most of our birds live in flights separated by cock or hen unless they are being prepped to be parents or for other social duties in the flock.

My goal is for my budgies to go to good homes where they can live a happy life with a forever family to love and care for them. We have spent a lot of time learning about flock dynamics.
Some things are intuitive and I have yet to verbalize all of what I have gleaned.

Every day I keep learning new things and new ways to communicate with our budgies.
It is a good challenge to keep me down to earth and essentially human.

So, look at this experience with your budgies as a growing process that will evolve over future years. Healthy well cared for budgies can be a part of the family for 8-12-16 or even 20 years. Look forward as the bond between you grows. Celebrate the love you share through time.

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I hope I didn't give the impression that I was yelling, or even hurting the female/hen. I'm sure I'm not alone when one of our little birds gets hurt, you want to be able to avoid it.

Which brings me to a second cage. No, I don't have one but we'll order one.

Thanks for the advice guys.
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I hope I didn't give the impression that I was yelling, or even hurting the female/hen. I'm sure I'm not alone when one of our little birds gets hurt, you want to be able to avoid it.

Which brings me to a second cage. No, I don't have one but we'll order one.

Thanks for the advice guys.
No, you did not give that impression at all.
You simply expressed your frustration which is understandable.

I'm glad you're getting a second cage and I'll close this thread now as you've received the answers to your initial post.

When you get your second cage and have the two separated, please start a new thread to let us know how things are going and how the two do together during supervised out of cage time.

Wishing you all the best!
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