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Nebula21 08-07-2015 11:39 AM

is this houseplant toxic to budgies? im getting conflicting information
 
hi guys

so i would like to buy a houseplant called a Christmas Cactus ( also called a Schlumbergera )

the following website says its safe
Toxic and Safe Plants/Trees for Birds - Household Poisons

BUT this website says that the Sap from the Christmas Cactus is toxic
Me & My Budgie - Dangerous Plants & Branches

so now im unsure if i should buy one or not. I called my vets to ask if they had a safe/toxic list and they said they don't and they told me to look online, but the problem is that online information can sometimes be wrong or conflicting.

Is there any kind of well known trusted website that gives accurate information for safe plants for BUDGIES? or do any of you guys know for sure if this plant is safe?

4711 08-07-2015 11:59 AM

I have heard it is bad.

Bugs have eaten mine, but the cats left them alone.

If in doubt, leave it.
After reading the University of Davis website regarding toxic plants for pets (not all inclusive, just listing the top ten in regard to known cases) I am surprised to know they got Aloe Vera listed high up... I am amazed. But after all, not everything is poisonous to the same species.

Nebula21 08-07-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 4711 (Post 3116721)
I have heard it is bad.

Bugs have eaten mine, but the cats left them alone.

If in doubt, leave it.
After reading the University of Davis website regarding toxic plants for pets (not all inclusive, just listing the top ten in regard to known cases) I am surprised to know they got Aloe Vera listed high up... I am amazed. But after all, not everything is poisonous to the same species.

do you know of any legitimate, trusted sites that give safe lists of toxic plants? i dont really trust random websites that people have made up in their own as they might not have all the facts to backup their safe/toxic lists

4711 08-07-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebula21 (Post 3117009)
do you know of any legitimate, trusted sites that give safe lists of toxic plants? i dont really trust random websites that people have made up in their own as they might not have all the facts to backup their safe/toxic lists

Cornell and Davis, but even then you get a lot of conflicting information.
I don't think we will get a definitive answer without sacrificing a lot of animals though.

Also, there are two species that look alike to the untrained eye: the Easter cactus and the Christmas/thanksgiving Cactus.

FaeryBee 08-07-2015 06:35 PM

Anytime there is a question as to whether or not a plant may be toxic you are better off not taking the risk.

If I check multiple sites and any one of them indicates the plant/food/etc. is not safe then I would not risk using it.

Nebula21 08-07-2015 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FaeryBee (Post 3117209)
Anytime there is a question as to whether or not a plant may be toxic you are better off not taking the risk.

If I check multiple sites and any one of them indicates the plant/food/etc. is not safe then I would not risk using it.

yeah you have a point, its better to be safe then sorry. but then where to do i look for a list of safe plants? unless i check multiply websites to see if any of them say anything different, which seems like a lot of work

FaeryBee 08-07-2015 07:12 PM

The amount of information that is available to people now days compared to how it was before the internet is awesome.
Those who didn't experience going to a library and trying to research something through encyclopedias have no idea how easy things are today. :giggle:

I always check multiple sites when I have questions.
In my opinion, it is best to gather as much information as possible and doesn't take much time or effort at all. :D

Kate C 08-07-2015 07:44 PM

Not sure about Christmas Cactus but our Parrot Club has reprinted an article this month regarding Aloe Vera. It says that Aloe has become very popular in the parrot world both as a spray and as an additive to drinking water to improve feather appearance. it goes on to say that aloe taken orally can be a laxative and it is a known carcinogen when given to rats, causing bowel cancers.

It reported a case in the July/August Bulletin of the Avicultural Society of America reporting an incident with an Eclectus parrot that nearly died after accidentally inhaling some spray and tiny oil droplets of a spray with aloe which ended up coating the surfaces of the lungs and air sacs, it resulted in a long recovery and a possible lifetime of problems because of it.

Here is a link to a fact sheet from National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences on Aloe Vera.

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/mate...e_vera_508.pdf

As it says in the end of the article in our magazine, if someone asks if it is ok to spray their bird with aloe vera, tell them it is not proven safe and you should not use it.

So when in doubt err on the side of safety and don't put anything that may harm your bird within their reach. Like with avocado, not all species of the fruit are toxic, but I am not going to test them on my birds to find out which ones are safe and which ones are not.

pixels 08-08-2015 10:04 AM

Actually christmas, easter, and thanksgiving cacti are three different species (not just two).

If you want a true christmas cactus, look for leaves with a more rounded look. If they have points, you're probably looking at a thanksgiving cactus.

Either way, they're all great plants, they just have slightly different flowers, and different flowering times. You probably wouldn't notice the difference though.

I say get'em just cause they're nice plants, but keep them out of the bird's access.

Not sure about aloe, but the yellowish sap just underneath the surface of the leaf is an irritant and can cause nausea, etc.

cs3585 08-08-2015 10:35 AM

My guess is that it's bad but you can go online an type in plants or food Parakeets can have to be sure you will be able to find out everything thing you need about any kind of pet birds. Have a Great Day Chuck


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