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Old 08-31-2015, 03:01 PM
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Default Two budgies: Love/hate relationship

Dear everybody, I had a question related to the two budgies that I have: Robbie and Jaska, both males. They seem to get along pretty well, but Jaska's behavior is a bit confusing which is why I wanted to consult you.

Some background: I think Jaska is 3-4 months and Robbie 7-8. Robbie is physically also quite bigger than Jaska. Robbie was the first budgie which we took, and 1,5 month later we introduced Jaska to him as we felt he was too alone. Judging by his behavior with a companion, I think he definitely was!

Their dynamics are however a bit confusing: You'd expect Robbie to be a bit more territorial and defensive of what was "his", and that Jaska behaves a bit "under the radar". But fact of the matter is: Robbie is very kind and calm with Jaska, while Jaska seems to be very dominant (for his age?): I have two food cups, but whenever Robbie decides to eat, Jaska also has to eat. Not only that, although there are two food cups, Jaska needs to eat from the cup Robbie is eating from. Often even chasing him away. It's not however, that he does not let Robbie eat at all. He just needs to eat from the cup Robbie was eating from. If Robbie in turn uses the other cup, it's fine, or often they end up eating together. The same with the cuddle stone. If Robbie eats from it, Jaska has to come to intrude himself. He takes a couple if nibs, and then it's already no problem anymore for Robbie to touch it. Also, recently I have noticed Jaska taking a few bites towards Robbies feet in moments of "increased agitation". Also, I noticed a couple of "rough-ups". So I'd say that these are signs of aggressive behavior.

However, Robbie seems whenever needed to give some boundaries back to Jaska. Also, 99% of their time they really spend together. For instance, if I open the cage, Jaska might fly out. But if Robbie doesn't come, he comes back to the cage to convince Robbie to come with him. They sleep next to each other on the perch. They both attack leaves together. They clean each other, touch beaks. I just now see Jaska cleaning Robbies cere area. They always sit in proximity to each other, if not next to each other. They share the same grooming time. They explore together, they vocalize together. It's just that Jaska can be very bossy I think, and I feel insecure regarding what are the boundaries of what is considered normal or reasonable behavior.

Is there anybody who can shed light on this situation? Do budgies go through periods of "swings" in their mood/behavior? We have Jaska now for 2,5 months, and he still has his bars on his head, so I guess he might be approaching puberty? Might that influence on him? I hung in the cage a toilet roll (without glue) that is extremely interesting to Jaska: Might he get overexcited from it? (It looks a bit like that, his "dark side" became more pronounced with the possibility to rip and tear the roll apart!) He takes the whole day biting it to smithereens. But again, if Robbie takes his turn, Jaska has to come over, take in Robbies place, and start with ti himself. Robbie is allowed to join immediately after, there is no problem in Robbie playing with it too. But Jaska definitely has a heightened sense of self importance...

The bottom line is, we took Jaska as a mate for Robbie to enjoy life together. But I would feel bad if we actually made life less good for him, he's such a good soul...

Thanks for any help!

Willem


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Old 08-31-2015, 03:43 PM
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Willem,

Everything you've described is quite normal budgie behavior.
One budgie often is dominant to the other and age doesn't usually come into play -- it's more a matter of "personality".
The fact that Jaska is going through puberty right now may also have an effect on his moods.

As long as he isn't bullying Robbie (and it does not sound as if he is at all) then there is nothing to be concerned about.
You may even find, as time goes on, that the two will "take turns" in the dominant behavior.
I have only males and sometimes it seems they trade off on who is going to be "boss" on a given day.

Enjoy your boys and we'd love to see pictures if you have any you'd like to share.
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Hello Faery Bee, thanks a lot for your reply. It helps to hear some expert opinion on the matter! I don't have some recent pics of our dynamic duo on hand, and I seem to remember I posted this pic some time ago, but will share it nevertheless:
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Robbie is to the right and Jaska is to the left. Jaska is more like "everything belongs to me" while Robbie is more like "make love, not war".
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Jaska and Robbie are SO cute together!
Thanks for sharing their picture with us.
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I completely agree with Deb! Thank you for the update on Jaska and Robbie, they both are so cute!
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Yeah I agree, they are indeed very cute together) Jaska maybe just has some confidence issues around his big brother) But I think in the end they are very attached!
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