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I had a flock of 10 living together harmoniously for several years. They were split in half when my roommate and I went seperate ways. I then built the remaining 5 an even larger cage, and purchased two new budgies. Things were smooth right from the moment they were added.

But today I was forced to run from the shower to figure out what was going on in their cage. When I got to the side there were 3 females surrounding and attacking a fourth female. All of which were from the original 5. The new female was up on a perch with the new male, and the other male from the original 5 was watching ( I'm almost positive he's bonded with the female who was getting attacked)... I removed the 3 attackers and placed them in a seperate cage for the time being. I've also removed the newest toy that was added about 2 weeks ago.. Their toys are changed frequently, but this new one I removed had the ability for them to climb into, a coconut with a few holes ( actually a parrot treat toy )...

Just wondering if anyone has any ideas. Not sure if they were they mistaking the toy as a nest and got hostel towards one another? Or if this can happen over time, possibly jealousy?? Do I need to find a couple more males to introduce to even the genders? 5fm 2males. I dunno, any suggestions would be great

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I think you will probably need to pull the two boys out and house them seperately, or if your cage is big enough, add three more boy's. The boy's need to be seperated for now even if you are going to add three more because of quarantine...
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Hello and to the forums!

I agree with Randy. I would take the males out and house them separate from the females to prevent the aggression and fights that often occur when there's an uneven ratio of budgies and of males to females.

If the female in question continues to be extremely aggressive, you should house her separately as well to prevent any injuries

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When maintaining a flock in an aviary

1. Number of Budgies should be according to the space

2. Number of budgies should be even according to gender

3. Number of perches should be more than number of females and at least 2-3 feet away for them to defend as their territory

4. Things like nest box or could be used as nest should not be in the aviary

Fights for nest box are the most deadliest among the females resulting in serious injuries or death. Coconut with hole is a nest box should not be in the aviary that could be the cause in my opinion
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You have changed the flock dynamics and added a nesting site as your hens see it. This is not good on many fronts. having an uneven number of birds also is a bas d idea. Having a flock then splitting it up you have changed the pecking order and added new budgies into it. hens also will fight for males and the coconut is a nest in their eyes. Have a read through this link.


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I have about the same gender ratio in my avaiary due to the loss of 2 of my male birds. it used to be even with 4fm:4males but now I have 4 females and 2 males. They fight whenever I add nests so they are probably just defending their "nest". as someone said earlier
What I do is instead of taking away the nests, I add more. were I live, the weather is too col or too hot and random for my birds to want to lay eggs so I'm not worried about that (however their aviary is not outside but weather changes still control the AC ) I simply add more nests and more perches and more toys and they are so busy playing that they never fight. There is so much to do in their aviary that even if a female claims a nest, she eventually leaves to go play with something and doesn't care if another female visits the nest. So you could probably try taking all nests away or going over board (considering you have room for lots of toys in there) if you don't want to buy more birds.
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I have about the same gender ratio in my avaiary due to the loss of 2 of my male birds. it used to be even with 4fm:4males but now I have 4 females and 2 males. They fight whenever I add nests so they are probably just defending their "nest". as someone said earlier
What I do is instead of taking away the nests, I add more. were I live, the weather is too col or too hot and random for my birds to want to lay eggs so I'm not worried about that (however their aviary is not outside but weather changes still control the AC ) I simply add more nests and more perches and more toys and they are so busy playing that they never fight. There is so much to do in their aviary that even if a female claims a nest, she eventually leaves to go play with something and doesn't care if another female visits the nest. So you could probably try taking all nests away or going over board (considering you have room for lots of toys in there) if you don't want to buy more birds.

While this arrangement is currently working for you, in a lot of cases adding more nests on a colony situation will not solve the issue, quite the contrary.
It only takes a moment for a fight to be triggered and for a flock to have the "danger, must fight for life" mentality which is not good.

By allowing your budgies to breed on a colony setting you run the risks of an intruder bird to meddle on the breeding pair's business, this can lead to abandonment of a nest with eggs, in some cases broken eggs.
During a fight for a specific nest (they may not care for other empty nests and go for the occupied one), hens can fight to the death. It's not healthy for a pair to be raising their young on a constant stressful environment. Chicks can also be abandoned and even severely injured or killed during vicious fightings.

When breeding, it's always best to separate each pair into their own cage and add a nest box, this is the safest way and will also give the pairs and future chicks to grow in a healthy, controlled and harmonious environment.
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I have about the same gender ratio in my avaiary due to the loss of 2 of my male birds. it used to be even with 4fm:4males but now I have 4 females and 2 males. They fight whenever I add nests so they are probably just defending their "nest". as someone said earlier
What I do is instead of taking away the nests, I add more. were I live, the weather is too col or too hot and random for my birds to want to lay eggs so I'm not worried about that (however their aviary is not outside but weather changes still control the AC ) I simply add more nests and more perches and more toys and they are so busy playing that they never fight. There is so much to do in their aviary that even if a female claims a nest, she eventually leaves to go play with something and doesn't care if another female visits the nest. So you could probably try taking all nests away or going over board (considering you have room for lots of toys in there) if you don't want to buy more birds.
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While this arrangement is currently working for you, in a lot of cases adding more nests on a colony situation will not solve the issue, quite the contrary.
It only takes a moment for a fight to be triggered and for a flock to have the "danger, must fight for life" mentality which is not good.

By allowing your budgies to breed on a colony setting you run the risks of an intruder bird to meddle on the breeding pair's business, this can lead to abandonment of a nest with eggs, in some cases broken eggs.
During a fight for a specific nest (they may not care for other empty nests and go for the occupied one), hens can fight to the death. It's not healthy for a pair to be raising their young on a constant stressful environment. Chicks can also be abandoned and even severely injured or killed during vicious fightings.

When breeding, it's always best to separate each pair into their own cage and add a nest box, this is the safest way and will also give the pairs and future chicks to grow in a healthy, controlled and harmonious environment.
I agree with aluz 100%

The forum promotes best practices when it comes to budgies' health and well-being.
Budgies should be provided with a proper conditioning diet before breeding and when pairs are set up in individual breeding cages, temperament of each bird should be carefully considered.

An even ratio of males to females in an aviary is fine or one can house males and females separately to avoid problems.

Anyone wishing to breed budgies should do extensive research before deciding to take on the responsibility for the health and well-being of both the adult budgies as well as any potential offspring.
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I also strongly agree with Aluz on her recommendations, The reason I joined the forum in the first place was exactly this I had dead chicks, hens covered in blood and fighting .
Please think it through and follow the information it truly is in the interests of your flocks safety.
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