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Old 09-15-2015, 11:19 AM
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Hi fellow budgie lovers!

While Duckie and Miss Whitey both came from the local Petco, I had considered going directly to a budgie breeder if I ever got more budgies, as I have read that pet store budgies come from irresponsible breeders.

Well, fast forward to this past weekend. I was at Petco, picking up some food for Duckie and Miss Whitey, when I found myself looking at the budgies. I felt so bad for them, crammed together in that sparse environment. The harsh lighting, plastic dowel perches all of the same thick diameter, and lack of any toys for stimulation tugged at my heartstrings.

Before I knew it, I was heading home with Jules and Yoda, after making a pit-stop at Petsmart to get them a big cage like Duckie and Miss Whitey have.

Jules and Yoda have turned out to be two lovely boys, and Duckie and Miss Whitey are a delight! I feel as though I have rescued them from that harsh environment.

I know that by doing this I am in essence "supporting" these bad practices, but, then again, they are going to happen anyways....
so I figure I have at least made a better life for my four babies. I do feel like writing to Petco and Petsmart about the terrible habitats they keep the birds in.

Anyone else feel this way about pet store budgies?

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Old 09-15-2015, 11:31 AM
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Living in a much smaller country than yours, the true concept of birdie mills isn't actually a reality where I come from.
But this doesn't mean there aren't irresponsible/bad breeders here.
This is something I'd say exists in all countries, bad breeders and bad breeder suppliers to pet stores.
Good breeders also supply their birds to pet stores, mostly when the demand from buyers/potential owners is lower to the numbers of chicks a breeder has for sale.
I supply privately to buyers/potential owners and if I have any chicks left, I sell them to a reputable pet store. I'm lucky to be very good friends with the owner and she knows my birds are tamed when arriving to the store and that they make great pets.
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It is easy to feel that way, and I'm glad Jules and Yoda have a wonderful home with you.
However, both Petco and Petsmart now have more money on their pocket, and so the cycle will continue.

My local Petco is immaculate, and treats all its critters very well, and has knowledgeable staff.
I don't know that breeders selling to them could be characterized as irresponsible, and I wouldn't necessarily believe everything you hear.
There are lots of good solid reasons both for them and the health of their birds, that good breeders may not want to sell out of their home, and let a petstore sell for them.

What is important is that you are happy, you have an awesome sense of ethics, and Jules and Yoda will obviously have a wonderful life ahead of them.

If you come across poor conditions, overcrowding, etc. you can always email (make it in writing) the Petco home office and let them know. Some people characterize large petstores as bad, but Petco seems to be making some efforts to listen and improve. They can't improve what they don't know about, so tell them.
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Living in a much smaller country than yours, the true concept of birdie mills isn't actually a reality where I come from.
But this doesn't mean there aren't irresponsible/bad breeders here.
This is something I'd say exists in all countries, bad breeders and bad breeder suppliers to pet stores.
Good breeders also supply their birds to pet stores, mostly when the demand from buyers/potential owners is lower to the numbers of chicks a breeder has for sale.
I supply privately to buyers/potential owners and if I have any chicks left, I sell them to a reputable pet store. I'm lucky to be very good friends with the owner and she knows my birds are tamed when arriving to the store and that they make great pets.
Well that is good to know! Some people get kind of rude when I say that I got them from Petco, or that I buy my food there. They really are wonderful little birdies, it just takes some time for them to become comfortable with being handled.
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It is easy to feel that way, and I'm glad Jules and Yoda have a wonderful home with you.
However, both Petco and Petsmart now have more money on their pocket, and so the cycle will continue.

My local Petco is immaculate, and treats all its critters very well, and has knowledgeable staff.
I don't know that breeders selling to them could be characterized as irresponsible, and I wouldn't necessarily believe everything you hear.
There are lots of good solid reasons both for them and the health of their birds, that good breeders may not want to sell out of their home, and let a petstore sell for them.

What is important is that you are happy, you have an awesome sense of ethics, and Jules and Yoda will obviously have a wonderful life ahead of them.

If you come across poor conditions, overcrowding, etc. you can always email (make it in writing) the Petco home office and let them know. Some people characterize large petstores as bad, but Petco seems to be making some efforts to listen and improve. They can't improve what they don't know about, so tell them.
Thank you for you insight. I believe I will contact the corporate office to offer my opinion on improving the habitats for the birds. I just feel as though they an certainly afford to do so, and all they have to do is mark some of the items they have right there in the aisle out of inventory.

It would also be a good way for them to display the items, possibly increasing sales, so why wouldn't they?
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I find it varies store to store. The store near my work that I get a lot of my bebes' toys from is definitely a pet store, but a small family owned one that have been known to actively discourage or even outright refused to sell birds, fish, or small rodents to customers if they think they aren't properly prepared or informed. I also know they get their birds from a small group of breeders, and won't sell to you if they find out the plan is to breed more animals.
I say research the pet store, find out where they get their animals from, how they are treated, etc.
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Some people get kind of rude when I say that I got them from Petco, or that I buy my food there.
For your own sake, and for the sake of your birds, ignore bullies who are rude to you for ridiculous reasons.

I don't know if you are aware of the concept of urban myths, but they are frequently repeated stories of obscure origin with little or no supporting evidence. Once a story like that is repeated a few times, people who don't use their good sense simply repeat it again and pass it on.

It sounds like the rude people are just quacking urban myth type of stuff about Petco. Solid evidence and reasoning is fine, but quackers, especially rude bully quackers, should be ignored.
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For your own sake, and for the sake of your birds, ignore bullies who are rude to you for ridiculous reasons.

I don't know if you are aware of the concept of urban myths, but they are frequently repeated stories of obscure origin with little or no supporting evidence. Once a story like that is repeated a few times, people who don't use their good sense simply repeat it again and pass it on.

It sounds like the rude people are just quacking urban myth type of stuff about Petco. Solid evidence and reasoning is fine, but quackers, especially rude bully quackers, should be ignored.
Thank you, Lucille. I guess it is all too easy to allow the opinions of others to get to us, such as those shared in the following article, which lacks any sources for these claims.

Avian Welfare Resource Center from the Avian Welfare Coalition - Hypocrisy Reigns at PETCO and PETsMART a reponse to Petfinder by Krista Menzel

All I know for sure, is that my budgies are happy and what matters most is how I care for them once they are a member of my family.
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Both of my budgies come from pet stores, but not a big chain (the biggest pet chain in the UK would be Pets at Home and they no longer sell any birds), so besides breeders, you would have to get them from independent pet stores over here.

Of course, it depends on the breeders and the pet stores to what kind of care these birds get, and it would be hard to say for sure how good their treatment was just because they come from a pet store.
Jimmy and Jay came from two different independent pet stores. Jimmy had a bad case of scaly face mites but is a very sweet, social little bird mostly because the pet store he was in had high traffic just by the birds cages.
Jay is a lot more reserved and shy (though he has got a lot better) because his pet shop was quieter and didn't have the constant buzz of people.

I think that despite the start birds have in life, them being bought by the right people is the most important- like Jules and Yoda. it doesn't matter where they came from, a breeder, a pet store or wherever, it's important that they are loved and cared for.

What anyone else says- stuff them! You don't have to justify yourself to others. xx
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Thanks for talking about this. My first two birds (Cody and Lemony) were from a local pet shop.. they were both local rescue birds, but I didn't know that at the time (odd they didn't tell me)..
Ivan came from PetCo and like you, I felt a little guilty supporting bird mills or other bad practices. I spoke with the store manager about their quarantine policy, etc and decided I wanted to go forward. I kind of felt like I rescued my little guy, too.
He's had no health issues since I've had him and seems happy living in my little flock of 4.
The issue of bird mills is distressing. I wholly agree with the box stores not selling puppies and kittens for that reason. Birds and other 'exotic' animals aren't as protected by law as dogs and cats. I'm not getting on a soapbox here. I think it's a decision we all have to make on an individual level about where we get our birds. It's a complicated decision.. thanks for bringing it up.
PS... not trying to start a debate the pros and cons of pet stores here.
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