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Hi all,
big changes in store at home while darling daughter receives 6 months chemo treatment. We have 2 budgies whose decent size cage is open all day and closed for sleep time - which means there are a good few poops around when we get home. Can't now have them pooping outside the cage, as its a potential health hazard to a weakened immune system.

Looking for least stressful solution for both us and budgies - one is very bonded to me, the other is more of a bird's bird
- close the cage, and allow short supervised flying only?
- get a bigger longer cage, and let them fly only in there?
- get a budgie-sitter for 6 months
- other bright ideas?
Grateful for any informed opinions

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Welcome to talk budgies. If you don't have a spare room or area that you can move them to, I would opt for the bigger flight cage option myself, that way you can ensure cleaning up well after them and not having the health risk. Hepa filtration would be a good consideration right now too. I hope your daughter's treatment goes well, and we would love to see pics of your feathered friends...
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Hi and welcome to TB

I second Randy and get wel soon for your daughter
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Old 09-29-2015, 10:13 PM
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Hello you certainly have some challenging times ahead but as a family I am sure you will face these hurdles and overcome them.
I feel you need to keep your budgies at home as they are a good influence on your health and well being, and will help you to unwind and relax.
As Randy suggested, if you can not place them in an exclusive bird room where your daughter can stay away from , then getting as big as cage as possible, remove paper daily and thoroughly clean the cage. Having filters and such helps with dander and dust.
The birds will survive ,if at all possible some free flight time would be good for them . Blessings and healing thoughts for your daughters journey.
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Good luck in reorganizing your situation. I hope you find a way to keep the budgies and your daughter happy and safe. I agree with everything the others said.
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Hi and to Talk Budgies!

Blessings to your daughter and your family as you undertake this journey with the chemotherapy.

I agree with Randy.
The first solution I'd look at is having a dedicated bird room and if that isn't possible then purchase the biggest flight cage possible for your budgies.

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Hi, I'm Kathy and mom to a 11 year old boy who has Natural Killer Cell functional deficiency. Both my bird cages are kept clean, they are kept in a separate room then where my son and his home health aide spend time. The cages are cleaned daily and out of cage time is only allowed when I am available to clean up poops. I try to clean stray poops immediately but I also spend 5 minutes after putting them up searching around to make sure I didn't miss any. Baby wipes are handy at cleaning up stray poops.

I would suggest investing in F10. The manufacturer says it has a 100% kill rate and doesn't need as many precautions to use as bleach. I do not suggest going natural when kill rate is vital. I do use Clorox wipes in other rooms but if I need to disinfect a surface near the bird including cages or toys I use F10. I also a have steamer canister cleaner but I tend to fall back on chemicals if I need to make absolutely sure all germs are killed.

Likely your birds are healthy if you had them awhile but you need to take precautions about bringing avian diseases in the house. Stop buying from stores with live birds, don't go to bird fairs. If you can't buy supplies from an animal free pet store locally then start ordering online.

While I agree you have to be cautious around birds they won't be your child's biggest danger. Hospitals will be her #1 danger. Ask everyone if they washed their hands if they don't wash in front of you. My son has gotten several secondary infections from the hospitals one that nearly caused permanent neurological damage. Don't let nurses be lazy if they drop something on the floor then they better go back and get new supplies I don't care how busy they are.

Group settings will be your #2 biggest danger. We don't go to church anymore not after my son picked up a bad strep infection that almost caused heart failure. In less then 24 hours from symptom onset he was limp and unresponsive in my arms and by the time we made it to the children's ER he was critical. I'm not trying to scare you our real emergencies are few and far in between with precautions in place. I have a lot of stories because I have been doing this for 11 years and no matter how careful you are given enough time something will slip past you or nursing staff (at school or hospital).

Good luck with your daughter. Let me know if I can be of further help to you.
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I agree with mekat's statements.

The problem is that all animals, birds and humans are colonized with pathogens that are benign unless immunocompromised. So in reality. the less contact the better; having said that, you can't lock an 11yr old child in a room. I suggest however you talk to your doctor about whether she should wear a mask in public places and when in proximity to the birds. They might have already given you instructions about this, so I apologise if I'm redundant.

Bird fecal matter is a risk for many pathogens (I include a reference listing them)

I personally would not risk having her have exposure to any fecal dust matter. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to disinfect completely no matter how vigilant one is. If the child's immune system is completely wiped out (if), I would ask somebody (friend/family) to take care of the birds during this period.

My last comment is about chemotherapy. Not all chemotherapies are the same. Some can wipe out the immune system and some just suppress it. I'm sure this is self evidence, but you should let your doctor/oncologist know you have birds at home if you haven't already to really assess the risk.

Best wishes for rapid recovery.
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