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Old 10-03-2015, 01:32 PM
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I have been reading with great interest all the links that is provided by various people on this forum in terms of budgie feeding.

I don't mean to be controversial or disrespectful to the any opinion shared on this site as everyone is entitiled to an opinion. I apologise in advance is somebody takes offense.

On the other hand, because of the nature of the internet, it's healthy to look for evidence backing up claims made whether it's about budgies or your own health.

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Because of the nature of the internet, it's healthy to look for evidence backing up claims made whether it's about budgies or your own health.
That is completely true.
Thank you on behalf of the members for the reminder.

There is just as much bad information available on the internet as there is good.

Each individual should always take the time to carefully evaluate the validity of all information when researching any topic.
Doing so is simply a part of being mature and responsible in one's life.
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sorry my reply got sent before I could complete it.

I recommend people produce links that backs up their statement that does not end up being somebody else's statement/opinion. It would be helpful to refer to scientific papers, published books (really published and not online) where the information is backup with some concrete evidence.

For example, can somebody direct me to a reference that shows that budgies live longer or have less diease if they eat more vegetables ?

I joined to site to educate myself on budgie care and this will really help me out.

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sorry my reply got sent before I could complete it.

I recommend people produce links that backs up their statement that does not end up being somebody else's statement/opinion. It would be helpful to refer to scientific papers, published books (really published and not online) where the information is backup with some concrete evidence.

For example, can somebody direct me to a reference that shows that budgies live longer or have less diease if they eat more vegetables ?

I joined to site to educate myself on budgie care and this will really help me out.

Thank you in advance
The purpose of the forum is to provide what we consider to be the best practices for the health and well-being of budgies.

If an individual wishes to have "scientific evidence" backing the information offered then they have the opportunity to perform that research themselves.
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Does this mean then that there is absolutely nothing out there backing up the claim that vegetables and fruits are good and necessary for budgie health?

Because of this is indeed the case, it's hard for me to accept it as a fact.

I hope people don't misinterpret my statement. I think some things are intuitive and I can be accepted without evidence. For example, you don't need to produce evidence to convince me that pesticides are bad for budgies. That's because there is enough evidence out there that it's bad for almost any living organism. But when it comes to specifics about feeding, socializing, breeding, lighting, temperature, toys?, cage space?, it would be nice to have some explanation as to how that conclusion was reached.

For example, I can accept that there is ample research that shows vegetables and fruits are good for people and perhaps we are extrapolating that data to include budgies. One can then make an informed decision about that recommendation.
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When it comes to specifics about feeding, socializing, breeding, lighting, temperature, toys?, cage space?, it would be nice to have some explanation as to how that conclusion was reached.
Talk Budgies has members of all ages from all over the world and the forum's goal is to help them learn how to best care for their budgies.

I believe you will find much of the information provided on this forum comes from the knowledge and experience of the breeders and members themselves.

Other information comes from research various members have done using a multitude of different resources to reach their conclusions.

If you wish to have solid "scientific facts and evidence" then you will need to look for it elsewhere as it is doubtful you will find it the forum setting.
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I would like to share one site with ample information about budgie care where the writer explains clearly what his recommendation is based on.

There is no "hard scientific evidence" backing up his statements either, but at the very least he makes every effort to clearly explain why he is recommending what he is recommending (evidence from other birds, knowledge gained from studying wild budgies or simply because it makes him "feel better". You will also note that he references (if existent) to specialized books at the bottom.

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I would also like to state that I have no affiliation with the author or the website. It just so difficult to find good information on the internet that I felt obliged to share it. I hope I'm not breaking some forum etiquette here by doing this
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I hope people don't misinterpret my statement. I think some things are intuitive and I can be accepted without evidence. For example, you don't need to produce evidence to convince me that pesticides are bad for budgies. That's because there is enough evidence out there that it's bad for almost any living organism. But when it comes to specifics about feeding, socializing, breeding, lighting, temperature, toys?, cage space?, it would be nice to have some explanation as to how that conclusion was reached.

For example, I can accept that there is ample research that shows vegetables and fruits are good for people and perhaps we are extrapolating that data to include budgies.
I think that considering what you know about budgies- that they live in flocks in Australia then you could draw logical conclusions from this information about budgie care and well being.
They are social and are better suited to living with other budgies (though a lot of human company is fine if people have the time), that temperature and sunlight would be beneficial to them as well as they size of their cage.

I believe Faerybee's point is that if you want the evidence proven then you can just as easily Google search it rather than come here and ask others to provide it for you, as it is something that you are looking for.
A lot of members are happy with the experience of other budgie owners who are well experienced in breeding and caring for their birds and aren't looking for Scientific proof.
And if you find some sources maybe you could start a thread about what you have found, as it's something you are interested in and others might find it interesting too.
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I am sorry that my post was misunderstood. I clearly know that I am not on a scientific webpage. I joined a forum, so i know there is a wide range of expertise and educational backgrounds here.

All I wanted to convey is that when people (especially experts) share advice on ANY forum, not just this one, they should truly educate the non-experts (like me) by explaining the rational behind their advice. One should not feel insulted or threatened by that simple request. In fact, I am surprised how defensive some the replies have been to my post.

There is a big difference between opinion based advice and fact based advice. This is especially true on a forum where member expertise is not based on any specific standard.
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Not trying to stir the pot again.
I have the opinion that self education and experience can be just as good if not better (at times) than any degree on a sheet of paper. With that in mind any "scientific research" would be of a large sample of subjects with out variants. Of course a controlled study is the preferred method. However a lot can be learned from the commutative knowledge of budgie breeders and owners, which in some cases spans many years. Just because some Dr. with a degree says this or that is better than something else doesn't necessarily make it "scientific fact". There are so many studies on tons subjects that have been said to be FACT and then reversed years later after further research has be done.

We have seen the advancement of care and heath of birds in "pet" captive environments over the years and continue to strive for the best care possible. Trial and error have shown what works and what doesn't in real life applications. That to me is the main goal as most pets are not in a sterile controlled environment that experiments with different methods of care.

Side note is that I don't dismiss the other studies but take it with a grain of salt.
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