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Old 10-30-2015, 12:14 AM
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Default The GIANT English budgies

You know... Not the usual 45 gram ones, the 60+ gram ones !

I'm interested in these. I'm not asking for right away, but down the road a little, or maybe if one pops up around Christmas? I'm afraid I've fallen in love with the English budgies, and it's most likely inevitable that I'll get another. Since many people have 3, I figure it can work. I have a cage divider for the double flight cage if it doesn't.

First of all, WHY are some markedly so much larger than the standard English? I've seen some in the past that looked 2/3 the size of a cockatiel! Are some bred this way on purpose? If so, is there a name for this extra large 'type'?

Does anyone know if Lindsey breeds these extra large ones?

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The extra large once are breed to be show budgies / exhibition budgies.

there are many types, different masks types, different feather type, fluffy heads or non fluffy heads. large heads and so on
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Hi, The reason you see different Size English is that the normals have been worked with by breeders for a longer period of time. The smaller budgies are usually newer mutations that have not had as much effort put into breeding over time. As a breeder, I have come to see issues that should preclude the attempts by man to push the genetic size may be causing problems as we try to push them beyond the ability of the bones and tissues and organs to support the rapid increase in size through high nutrient diet and selectively breeding larger chucks. Yes they are wonderful, beautiful creatures but many mutations are hard to keep on the perch. They become subject to genetic weakness and die of tumors and exposure to micro organisms that deplete the natural immunity. Many of the modern malformations result from improper breeding and matching lethal genes. We have had a number of our older English pass on recently at ages of 8 to 10 years while as an example The smaller budgies closer to the original little guys living in the huge flocks flying free in Australia can easily live into their teens with a little luck and good diet and health care. We have our First four Americans that are starting to easily surpass our English in age. It is simply harder to push around those larger bodies that we all love so much in the English. When they get heavy they are no longer able to develop enough muscle to fly properly and they develop problems with the liver and kidney that filter out poisons from the environment. Show budgies seldom get to fly much as they are at shows and in the breeding box and are subject to mass production issues. So it Breaks down to if you want your budgies to live longer you need to make wise choices and pray a lot to keep your birds in top condition. Make your selections from ethical breeders and avoid the profit pit falls. It is hard to tell from the outside if a bird carries lethal genes. We depend on Breeders to not breed birds that can pass health issues on to off spring. Even the best breeders have unaccounted for attrition. You will do much better with a breeder like Lindsey who spends time and effort to develop healthy birds with good personality traits and clean pedigree lines. Remember the stress of traveling to shows can cause the most beautiful birds to die far too soon from over exposure to noise and unknown illness when they go up on a show bench. What are your priorities? Healthy happy birds or lots of awards For best in show and if you get really good you can look forward to selling some wonderful birds for good profit. I have always found it hard to sell my birds if I do not know they are going to loving homes. So yes this is an English breeder talking. Study long and hard to be ready to face all of the experience needed to care for your wonderful Budgies. Take the time because even when you think you are ready, you are not prepared for those 2 AM emergencies we so often see here on TB. Listen to Deb, and ANA, and Randy, and Lindsey and AnneMarie and Kate C and Cathy, to name only a few of the TB volunteers. Their goals are to help you enjoy and keep your budgies long lived and healthy and happy little companions to share life with. Best wishes, Jo Ann
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My four are all from Lindsey, and range in weight from 47 to 59. JoAnn has stated the biggest consideration's you need to give when purchasing any bird, but even more so with the English. Looking forward to seeing your new friend when you get it...
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Jo Ann has offered excellent advice as always.

All three of my English are from Lindsey as well.
None of mine are the "super-giant" sized as Lindsey breeds for good health and temperament in her birds.
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The extra large once are breed to be show budgies / exhibition budgies.

there are many types, different masks types, different feather type, fluffy heads or non fluffy heads. large heads and so on
Thank you Elma, so that explains why I've seen pics of different "types" and some unusual budgies.

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Hi, The reason you see different Size English is that the normals have been worked with by breeders for a longer period of time. The smaller budgies are usually newer mutations that have not had as much effort put into breeding over time. As a breeder, I have come to see issues that should preclude the attempts by man to push the genetic size may be causing problems as we try to push them beyond the ability of the bones and tissues and organs to support the rapid increase in size through high nutrient diet and selectively breeding larger chucks. Yes they are wonderful, beautiful creatures but many mutations are hard to keep on the perch. They become subject to genetic weakness and die of tumors and exposure to micro organisms that deplete the natural immunity. Many of the modern malformations result from improper breeding and matching lethal genes. We have had a number of our older English pass on recently at ages of 8 to 10 years while as an example The smaller budgies closer to the original little guys living in the huge flocks flying free in Australia can easily live into their teens with a little luck and good diet and health care. We have our First four Americans that are starting to easily surpass our English in age. It is simply harder to push around those larger bodies that we all love so much in the English. When they get heavy they are no longer able to develop enough muscle to fly properly and they develop problems with the liver and kidney that filter out poisons from the environment. Show budgies seldom get to fly much as they are at shows and in the breeding box and are subject to mass production issues. So it Breaks down to if you want your budgies to live longer you need to make wise choices and pray a lot to keep your birds in top condition. Make your selections from ethical breeders and avoid the profit pit falls. It is hard to tell from the outside if a bird carries lethal genes. We depend on Breeders to not breed birds that can pass health issues on to off spring. Even the best breeders have unaccounted for attrition. You will do much better with a breeder like Lindsey who spends time and effort to develop healthy birds with good personality traits and clean pedigree lines. Remember the stress of traveling to shows can cause the most beautiful birds to die far too soon from over exposure to noise and unknown illness when they go up on a show bench. What are your priorities? Healthy happy birds or lots of awards For best in show and if you get really good you can look forward to selling some wonderful birds for good profit. I have always found it hard to sell my birds if I do not know they are going to loving homes. So yes this is an English breeder talking. Study long and hard to be ready to face all of the experience needed to care for your wonderful Budgies. Take the time because even when you think you are ready, you are not prepared for those 2 AM emergencies we so often see here on TB. Listen to Deb, and ANA, and Randy, and Lindsey and AnneMarie and Kate C and Cathy, to name only a few of the TB volunteers. Their goals are to help you enjoy and keep your budgies long lived and healthy and happy little companions to share life with. Best wishes, Jo Ann
JoAnn, that was a wealth of knowledge on this topic, and I'm truly thankful that you said all this. It has made me think twice, and now having to obtain an giant doesn't seem so appealing. Finding a bird that was bred (and inbred?) to have certain exaggerated traits appear is not worth it to me. I realize how delicate the health of birds is (and seems especially budgies where it's all too common to be genetically compromised), so that I do want to be extremely careful in my future selections. I've already lost a "pet store budgie" from genetic illness after just 2 years. Twigs' best bonded friend.

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My four are all from Lindsey, and range in weight from 47 to 59. JoAnn has stated the biggest consideration's you need to give when purchasing any bird, but even more so with the English. Looking forward to seeing your new friend when you get it...
Your birds are gorgeous Randy. I love Lindsey's website which I've been familiar with since long before I found this forum . It's clear that she is among the most ethical of breeders, and has quality birds. Sounds like your budgies are pretty large. Mink is 45 grams.

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Jo Ann has offered excellent advice as always.

All three of my English are from Lindsey as well.
None of mine are the "super-giant" sized as Lindsey breeds for good health and temperament in her birds.
More examples of gorgeous budgies from Lindsey . Alright. If the "super giant" sized are overbred or have a higher likelihood of genetic defects and shorter lifespans, then FORGET IT!! Thanks everyone!!
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