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Hi all!

I am just curious, how can you tell the difference between aggressive behavior and just a really playful budgie? My green budgie, Frankie, doesn't do anything else all day except follow/chase around my younger bird. It seems like most of the time it's just playful as Frankie is a very hyper bird, and Beemo will play back. But then a lot of the time I see Frankie trying to put his foot up on Beemo's chest like he's trying to dominate him, especially in the mornings and evenings. And many times the chasing around the cage can become so bad that I'm afraid they'll hurt themselves.

I've tried separating them numerous times (usually for about 2 or 3 weeks), but that just makes them both depressed. I'm pretty positive they like each other overall - Frankie feeds Beemo (or tries to at least) all the time and they hate being apart. But I just can't tell if I should really be intervening or letting them do their thing. The noise from the chasing has been pretty maddening lately haha.

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Old 11-06-2015, 10:10 AM
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Aggressive behaviour is when the dominant bird is relentlessly and constantly chasing the other bird around, there is heaving pecking that sometimes results in the dominant bird plucking feathers out of the victim or when there is all out attack on the head, eyes and feet area. Also when the budgies lock themselves into fight on the bottom of the cage.
These are the blatant signs of vicious aggression and when seeing just one of these sings, immediate and permanent separation is the best option for the overall safety and health of the attacked bird.
It should also be easier to tell from the attacked bird's behaviour when something is off. When a budgie is in a stressful environment and is constantly subdued by another bird, the chances of becoming sad, depressed and more receptive to illness are higher.
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How big is the cage they are in ? I would keep them in separate cages next to each other and let them have out of cage time together in neutral territory.
It may settle down eventually when the youngest get's older, and they can be housed together again then...
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Thanks Aluz and Jonah,

I separated them today as the commotion was just becoming unbearable and both birds were visibly exhausted from all the chasing (though Frankie STILL pursued). I was a bit surprised too; normally when I try to intervene, the birds respond to me as the common threat and will stop antagonizing each other. But this time, even when trying to grab him with a towel, Frankie was totally un-phased. Not afraid of me at all. Just kept trying to get at Beemo.

They have a pretty large cage for the two of them - about 2 feet square by 3 feet high. Plenty of perches, food dishes, toys, etc. And it never seems like Frankie is trying to chase Beemo away. He's always just trying to get to Beemo. No matter where he is in the cage or outside it.

Overall it seems like a very abusive little friendship. Though I haven't seen them do it recently, they did used to preen each other, and Frankie does still feed Beemo. But 80% of the time, Frankie is just chasing Beemo all over the place pretty relentlessly and does peck at his head a lot, especially in the mornings.

Anyway, I'm gonna keep them in separate cages for a while again. Might have to try for a longer period of separation this time. Thanks again for taking the time to respond.
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You first brought this matter up back in July in this thread:
https://talkbudgies.com/training-bond...e-budgies.html

I would recommend housing the two separately on a permanent basis and allowing them to have supervised play-time together.

In that manner, they will still be able to interact but Beemo will have peace when they are back in their own separate cages.

You can keep the cages next to one another so they can still see one another and "talk" to one another through the bars.
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It does sound like an act of aggression and the relentless running around will be very stressful as well as tiring. Separating them is indeed the way to go as advised.
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This issue has been going on for quite some time and you have already seen that separating them for a while and then allowing them to share a cage does not work, because the aggressive behaviour continues.

It's perfectly clear and vital that your budgies need to be in separate cages indefinitely. Given the severity of the case, I wouldn't even allow them to have out of cage time together.
You need to come to terms with the fact that your budgies are not compatible and by letting them share the same space you are allowing the abuse to continue and one day you may come home to a severely injured bird, or even worse. Cases like this can have a tragic outcome.

Your Frankie must always be caged separately due to his bad temperament and he should not have close contact with any other bird (not just Beemo).
In this case for Beemo's and any other potential bird's safety it's best to use zero tolerance with Frankie and to not risk it.

You can take this opportunity to work more intensively with Frankie in trying to establish a good bond with him and make him a "people bird". The training may be very beneficial to him and some of his bad attitude may even start to fade away with time. Still it's best to not trust Frankie to be around another bird.
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Thanks everyone. I agree now, Frankie just shouldn't be with other birds. It's a bummer, but I think keeping them together has really strained the relationship my fiance and I have with both of them (it's impossible to interact with either of them if they're constantly chasing each other around the room). We were hesitant to keep them completely separate because we just don't have a lot of living space for two cages. But we're moving to a new house this month and should be able to make some more agreeable arrangements with them. Thanks again for all the advice and support, everybody! Hopefully I'll have some good news to share in the coming months.
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So Frankie and Beemo have been in separate cages in separate parts of the house for about a week now. I think both birds are a little depressed and scared to be away from each other, as they seem to just spend most of their time sitting in one place unless eating or drinking. But they both still sing and chirp occasionally.

But the behavioral difference in Frankie so far has been substantial. He is much more tamed than I would have guessed before! He sits on my shoulder calmly and ALWAYS steps up when asked (which was not the case when with other birds).

Beemo on the other hand has become very shy and wary of me again. He's always taken a little longer to adjust and learn things, but it can be discouraging to see him so cautious and untrusting now since he was the more curious and friendly one before. But again, new situation for him (especially as we've been packing and moving things to the new house) so I'm sure he'll adjust in time.

But anyway, things seem to be going alright. Just hope they both perk up and start playing with their toys again soon.
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