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Default The baby and the beast saga (a journal?)

The saga of introducing merlin (the beast) and Arthur (the baby) continues (I'm so tempted to write a journal considering how much it is not going to plan!!). A bit of background - merlin is 2 years old, female and single for that time. Arthur is a sociable bird friendly baby (though yet to be hand tamed). The birds have been caged next to each other since Monday and I let merlin out while Arthur is caged in the room.
Merlin has very half hearted opinions about arthur. She NEVER speaks to him (although she chirps at me fine) and prefers to stand on top of his cage and stare at him down through the bars. If he gets too close (which he obviously does coz he is desperate to hang out with her) she will bite his toes followed by awful screams on his part - it breaks my heart!
Another thing that seems to happen is this beak biting. It's horrible! They approach each other open beaks, tongues out and then try to bite each other. I've got a hideous paranoia that she will somehow snap his beak off.
Another interesting thing is that she is less aggressive when he is out on her cage. He insists on trying to sleep next to her perch in those circumstances.
So my question is - is this behaviour normal? Especially the beak biting?

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Old 05-13-2016, 06:49 AM
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You need to keep Merlin away from the baby if she is being aggressive toward him.
She can injure him severely if you allow her to bite his toes!

I'm confused as to what you've written in your post.
Are they still being housed separately?
If so, how is Arthur trying to sleep next to Merlin?

It sounds to me as if Merlin would be happier being on her own rather than being subjected to having a friend.

You may need to consider keeping Merlin by herself in a cage and getting Arthur a male buddy around his own age to hang out with once the quarantine period is over. The two males could be housed in a cage together after quarantine and you would need to give them separate out-of-cage time from Merlin.
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Sorry just to clarify - I allow them separate out of cage time and when Arthur has his time he sits on a perch outside of Merlin's cage but next to her.
I'm not going to give up on them just yet as it means I will have to give Arthur up if they don't get on. Luckily the breeder will help to rehome him well.
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I fully agree with Deborah's advice.

From your description of their early interactions and the aggressiveness already shown by Merlin, I doubt they will be able to get along well to be allowed to share a cage together in harmony.
Merlin is likely set in her ways, she has been a solo budgie for 2 years and has been happy to be the only bird in the house and to have your undivided attention. This change has now disrupted the balance and Arthur may be seen as a threat/competitor by her.

I'm also sorry that you will be unable to keep Arthur, if they really need to be housed separately on a permanent basis.
I hope you will be able to find a solution that will work for both Merlin and Arthur in terms of ensuring their overall welfare, safety and happiness.

You may find the information in this link useful: https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...en-flocks.html

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I agree with aluz. Since Merlin has been on her own for 2 years already, there is little likelihood she is going to accept Arthur no matter how much time goes by.

Subjecting him to the emotional and physical trauma on ongoing basis in hopes that Merlin's attitude is going to change is really not at all fair to Arthur.

If you are unable to keep the two housed separately on a permanent basis and unable to provide Arthur with a male companion, it would be best for you begin the process of looking for a safe and loving forever home for him now rather than waiting.
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Emotional trauma?!
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Yes, there is emotional trauma taking place as Arthur wants to be close to Merlin and be accepted but she's behaved aggressively toward him going so far as to bite his toes and make him scream.
When a bird undergoes physical trauma it affects them emotionally as well and budgies react emotionally to stress much more than you probably realize.

It is unfair to subject Arthur to the trauma when it is unlikely Merlin's behavior will ever change.
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