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Old 05-30-2016, 08:32 AM
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So as of the last week i had gotten a new baby budgie for my 1 year old budgie, BB, in hopes of giving him a new friend after the befriending and quite sudden removal of Commander Peepers. All is going well and BB has shown no signs of sickness. Whatever happened to Commander Peepers was surely just with him and in no way contagious.

Just this Saturday i talked to my birb's vet and asked if now would be a good time to properly introduce the two and he said it would be fine, just to keep an eye on them. BB is 1 year old and already befriended another bird so soon and Lee is only 2 months old. There may be squabling.

As to be expected...

but interestingly... that didnt happen. Within 20 minutes they were singing together. Wherever BB takes off too, Lee tries to hard to keep up... Lee's wings were clipped when i got him. It wasnt my choice, he and all his siblings had clipped wings when ready to purchase.

granted they do screech at each other when the other gets too close to their side of the millet spread.

Both know the "step up" trick and both know "kiss kiss", which they reach up and will "kiss" whatever is in front of them. Be it fingers, noses or if there isnt something close they kiss their perch they are standing on at the time. Very sweet birds... although a bit loud in the mornings still. it was worse when i first brought Lee home... they would screech from across the room. A flock call if you would call it. Now they sing to each other, because they know the other is right there.

If anyone has any questions and/or maybe tips for me please do post them. I want whats best for my boys and im still a new Budgie owner. There is a lot to read in the stickies and ill forget a lot of it if im not sitting and reading it when im with them.

Ill post pics of them playing too... maybe upload Youtube links here of videos. This is all good fun and i do wish to be a good birb mom <3

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Did you have both of your budgies examined by an avian vet specialist?
Given the fact your BB was in contact with Commander Peepers and you don't know if the illness that took him was contagious or not, all precautions must be met in order to ensure the safety and welfare of not only BB, but also your new albino budgie.
As general rule, all new birds recently purchased should be quarantined into a different room and cage away from the other pet bird(s).
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I did take a look at the photos you posted on your gallery where you have asked for gender and from what I have seen, I can tell you that your green budgie who I assume is BB is in fact a female budgie. She clearly has a mainly white coloured cere and on her solo pic I can even see the cere is starting to get the tan colour.

Your new albino budgie, from the photo also seems to have a whitish cere, making her a budgie girl as well.
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Old 05-31-2016, 01:46 AM
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Hi there!

Did you have both of your budgies examined by an avian vet specialist?
Given the fact your BB was in contact with Commander Peepers and you don't know if the illness that took him was contagious or not, all precautions must be met in order to ensure the safety and welfare of not only BB, but also your new albino budgie.
As general rule, all new birds recently purchased should be quarantined into a different room and cage away from the other pet bird(s).
https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...necessary.html

I did take a look at the photos you posted on your gallery where you have asked for gender and from what I have seen, I can tell you that your green budgie who I assume is BB is in fact a female budgie. She clearly has a mainly white coloured cere and on her solo pic I can even see the cere is starting to get the tan colour.

Your new albino budgie, from the photo also seems to have a whitish cere, making her a budgie girl as well.
Both budgies were in fact looked at by an avian vet and BB was given a full check up. Peepers didnt pass from an illness that he could pass to BB but was having trouble adjusting to elevation changes after my aunt (stupidly) brought him to the mountains for the weekend that she gave him to me. He was super fluffy for 2 weeks and i had no idea that was a sign he was in any sign of discomfort. Had i know that i would have asked questions and taken him to the vet sooner. I looked up fluffy Budgies and because my aunt gave me limited information on what breed of budgie he was i thought this was normal... thus i made the mistake of not getting him the proper checking up when i got home until it was too late... not wanting to loose BB i instantly took both BB and Peepers to the vet. There was no sign of illness with BB and i was given the okay to take him home after i sanitized his cage and everything Peepers touched with bird safe cleaning things. With Peepers, i was given the whole talking too by my vet about what to do when i get home to make sure BB is alright with the loss and that there was really no way i could have known about Peepers being uncomfortable. there was no leakage from his nose and/or beak and his droppings were normal... I had them run a test on Peepers' body to make sure there was nothing i could have done... if there was any signs i missed. Other than him being really thin (which i couldnt tell from the fluffy feathers) which is a sign of just being uncomfortable, There was nothing wrong with him. Was also informed my Aunt had him looked at before taking him to me in the beginning. She didnt want to give me a sick bird...

Either way I live in a single room apartment so its impossible to put the new baby and BB in different rooms, however given the info i was told, that step isnt really necessary in my case. The best i could do was to do what i was suggested to do and that was to put them as far from the other side of the room as i could... which i did. It was better than nothing.

Both birds however, yes their ceres have a lot of white in them, also have blue on the bottoms showing more and more little by little. BB's cere has some traces of blue that i was shown by the vet to show he's indeed a boy... although a late shower. The solo pic of BB in question was taken when i first got him in January. He's very camera shy now outside of his cage. only likes it when hes with someone like Peepers. and the solo pic of Lee/Lea was recent, yes... but they are also only 2 months old. Still time to show.

Lee however is once again up in the air now because the blue i once saw has now poofed... the cere is white as their body so i once again have no idea. If Lee is a girl... the name will be changed to Lea... still pronounced the same so as not to confuse the little angel as they have been called it since i got them home.

Thank you for your tips though. I am keeping them apart for the most part, when i have the new baby out i play with them in my bedroom, away from BB so they arent distracted by the other and they dont fight though the cage, which im sure would happen given the change in living and BB having lost his "Mate" so soon.

ON A SIDE NOTE

Lee/Lea finds it quite funny to jump off my hands and run in circles on my bed screeching like a banshee. They stop when i pick them back up and they make cute little chirps and peeps... but they quickly get bored, hop down and go running up and down the bed screeching again, playing with the toys on the bed and biting my blanket, trying to pull it apart or something.

Anyone have any idea what this is all about?
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A note on the ceres, it would be unusual for a male to have white on the cere, that would be normal for a female though. Males go from pinkish purple to blue, hens go through a whitish with a little blue stage then on to brown when going into breeding condition. Perhaps you have hens? Or perhaps I misunderstood!

I just went off and found pictures of your lovely babies, definitely 2 pretty hens!
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A note on the ceres, it would be unusual for a male to have white on the cere, that would be normal for a female though. Males go from pinkish purple to blue, hens go through a whitish with a little blue stage then on to brown when going into breeding condition. Perhaps you have hens? Or perhaps I misunderstood!

I just went off and found pictures of your lovely babies, definitely 2 pretty hens!


Well... Ill give them another month. If the blue on BB vanishes like Lee/Lea... then girls they be.

BB was bought at a Petsmart in a cage with other VERY much boy Budgies... some dark blue ceres and some white with blue growing from the bottoms of the cere... it wouldnt make sense for them to mix them up if they didnt want to have eggs in the cages, being my Petsmart and Petco are both not capable of handling babies...

And Lee/Lea WAS up in the air. Was even told when i picked them up from the breeder they had no idea the sex of the babies yet, they were only 2 months old and NONE of the ceres were colored yet.

Im also going to add in that my Phone's color quality isnt the best so things that show up white COULD be more peach... Also adding in that Lee/Lea is albino... could there cere also be effected by the albinism?

Who knows... i could be totaly wrong, but my aviary vet told me BB was a boy. His cere has blue growing from the bottom but who knows... maybe it was a bruse and they missread it too...

Im giving it a month... if it goes away, then BB is a girl. If the blue doesnt come back in Lee/Lea's... then i have two hens.

that makes me worried though... Commander Peepers' cere was DARK blue. If BB was a girl and they were sharing a cage, would i possibly have an egg on the way? How can you tell????
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If this was in fact an avian vet specialist, then unfortunately this vet doesn't seem to be able to accurately determine gender on budgies.

Indeed, from the photos on your gallery there is no doubt whatsoever that the green budgie is a female. What you have described of the light blue colour on the edges is typical of young immature females or females who are currently out of breeding condition.
Clearly your green budgie is in the process of getting the first tan on her cere and soon enough the cere will turn to a dark brown colour indicating that BB has reached breeding condition. When out of condition, her cere will revert to the creamy white colour who may or may not have some light bluish colour on the edges of the cere.
Albino male budgies will have uniform pinkish/purplish ceres throughout their lives. This is one of the exceptions where normally the ceres of males will change and mature to a rich royal blue colour.
From the photo your your Lee/Lea she also looks very much like a young female.

About your Lea's behaviour, she is just being playful. It would be a good idea to divert her attention in order to keep her from biting your blanket, because by doing so, she can inadvertently ingest the fibres causing her to be sick later on.
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If this was in fact an avian vet specialist, then unfortunately this vet doesn't seem to be able to accurately determine gender on budgies.

Indeed, from the photos on your gallery there is no doubt whatsoever that the green budgie is a female. What you have described of the light blue colour on the edges is typical of young immature females or females who are currently out of breeding condition.
Clearly your green budgie is in the process of getting the first tan on her cere and soon enough the cere will turn to a dark brown colour indicating that BB has reached breeding condition. When out of condition, her cere will revert to the creamy white colour who may or may not have some light bluish colour on the edges of the cere.
Albino male budgies will have uniform pinkish/purplish ceres throughout their lives. This is one of the exceptions where normally the ceres of males will change and mature to a rich royal blue colour.
From the photo your your Lee/Lea she also looks very much like a young female.

About your Lea's behaviour, she is just being playful. It would be a good idea to divert her attention in order to keep her from biting your blanket, because by doing so, she can inadvertently ingest the fibres causing her to be sick later on.
... oh geeze...
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BB was in the cage with Commander Peepers practically the whole he was with me... is there a way to tell if i could expect an egg on the way? Is there a sticky that has this sort of info on what to look for?

.... if that be the case... how does one introduce two hens without fighting? Arent females more likely to... "argue"?
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BB was in the cage with Commander Peepers practically the whole he was with me... is there a way to tell if i could expect an egg on the way? Is there a sticky that has this sort of info on what to look for?

.... if that be the case... how does one introduce two hens without fighting? Arent females more likely to... "argue"?
You don't need to worry about eggs just because BB shared the cage with Commander Peepers. In most cases, eggs will only come when we make the necessary arrangements to allow breeding to happen. If there hasn't been any matings between them and no encouragement on your part by allowing them to have a nest box or any other nesting area, then you have no reasons to be worried about eggs.

This link has detailed info on the subject and if you follow the recommendations, chances are high you won't having egg laying issues with any of your girls: https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...want-eggs.html

If both of your budgie girls have a sweet temperament and personality, they can bond and be very good friends. There are a few measures you can take to make the introductions go smoothly. And this is done by allowing your budgies closely supervised out of cage time together on a neutral territory (away from cages). Depending on how they go, you can then decide to let them share a cage or not. If they end up by sharing a cage, it would be best to rearrange everything on it in order to minimize potential territorial behaviour.
You can check this link too: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...o-budgies.html
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You don't need to worry about eggs just because BB shared the cage with Commander Peepers. In most cases, eggs will only come when we make the necessary arrangements to allow breeding to happen. If there hasn't been any matings between them and no encouragement on your part by allowing them to have a nest box or any other nesting area, then you have no reasons to be worried about eggs.

This link has detailed info on the subject and if you follow the recommendations, chances are high you won't having egg laying issues with any of your girls: https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...want-eggs.html

If both of your budgie girls have a sweet temperament and personality, they can bond and be very good friends. There are a few measures you can take to make the introductions go smoothly. And this is done by allowing your budgies closely supervised out of cage time together on a neutral territory (away from cages). Depending on how they go, you can then decide to let them share a cage or not. If they end up by sharing a cage, it would be best to rearrange everything on it in order to minimize potential territorial behaviour.
You can check this link too: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...o-budgies.html
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thank you again... i shall look into these and update day by day updates on the progress <3
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So today i got to listen to BB and Lea, both now sexed as females, singing to each other from across the room. Such soft chirping and random loud ACK ACK ACKs that were quickly followed by Lea trying to flip upside down in her cage by climbing on the wall and stuffing her head between her legs and curling upside down.

Lea's cage DOES sit closer to a window and i think she could hear the humming birds outside by the flowers just under my window... It was entertaining to watch.

BB's nose continues to go from light blue to white as Lea's body... so its clear to me BB is indeed a young girl. Lea's nose is bright pink and white... so after some time watching its safe to say... i have two baby girls. 1 just showing faster than the other... the one showing being the 2 month year old and the other being maybe half a year old now...

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my baby Lea and all her white fluffyness. She is super sweet and very much full of baby energy.



and then theres BB, whome i have found was actually a girl this whole time. Both had been looked at by an avian vet and was given the green light to introduce one another... slowly. We dont need fighting...

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