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Peebs 06-10-2016 01:46 PM

Got another budgie today, not too happy about it.
 
Now when i say i'm not happy about it, i don't mean that i don't like the little guy, he's great, it's just my mum has been insisting on getting a friend for my first budgie for a while, and whilst i agreed with her, i said i'd rather wait to get another cage/bigger cage so nothing bad happens. I was basically ignored by her after saying it's best to wait until we have an extra cage but she went behind my back and got in touch with a breeder and basically made me get one today. Since we brought him home my first bird has been very aggressive towards him like i expected and what's worse is i think there may be a problem with the new guy because he has a weird mark on his cere, a ruff on his neck, and his tail-feathers are really short. (i'm not sure honestly because they said he was really young but look at the pictures and see for yourself) Birb - Album on Imgur

I don't know what to do because i can't afford another cage (being 17 with no job isn't fun) and i don't want them to fight. I'd take him back because i know this is a really bad idea to just put two unfamiliar birds together like this but my parents will refuse to take him back on the account that "your bird needs a friend"


Any advice is appreciated, i'm really at a loss here.

Cheers,
Alex.

aluz 06-10-2016 02:40 PM

I'm very sorry of your current predicament. :(
This is not the way to bring a new pet bird home. From the photo, I can tell you that your new budgie is a young male (the other one is a female) and what you see on his cere is in fact mites, he has a good portion of mites on the right side of his cere and this is sadly very contagious.
This is exactly why when bringing home a new pet bird, it's always best to follow quarantine procedures, in order to avoid a potential illness carried by the new bird to be passed to your existing bird or flock.

You can ask your mother to check this thread of yours and the replies on it, I will also place a couple of links for you and your mother to read.

https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...necessary.html

https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...o-budgies.html

It's never too late to learn and to do right by our pets and if that means taking the budgie boy back to the breeder due to the fact that you are unable to house your budgies separately (they may never get along well, this is a possibility), then so be it.
Still, both budgies will need treatment for the mites (Ivermectin spot on treatment) and you will have to wash and disinfect the whole cage and accessories in order to prevent the mites from coming back and reinfesting your budgies.

This situation needs to be addressed as soon as possible, you can't have your budgies fighting on a consistent basis as this can end in tragedy, they need to be housed in two different cages and treated for the mites.

Best of luck with everything.

shanebudgie 06-10-2016 03:05 PM

Greetings I also agree with aluz as well.its very sad the situation you are in.I truly hope somehow things will workout for you and your budgies.but we're here for you as best as can be for advice and comfort for you.Blessings and sending healing prayers for your budgie.

Peebs 06-10-2016 03:08 PM

Hi Aluz,
thank you so much for this response, i've been really worried since i brought him home but this has put me a little bit at ease.
My mum has agreed to return the bird after reading your post, and i'm taking Quincy (my first bird) to the vets on monday just to make sure s(he) hasn't contracted mites. I thought i should mention i've been monitoring them since you have said this and i think it's important to say that the new bird seems to be falling down a lot. is this another symptom of mites? or something different?

Since i won't be able to do anything about medical care until monday i was wondering what i can do in the meantime to make sure Quincy is okay? like i'm definitely cleaning the cage out and all the food/water bowls when i get back but is there anything extra i can do just to make sure?

Finally i would like to ask how you know Quincy is a female? The breeder we got them from said they're most likely male so i'm very confused now. I'll provide some extra pictures so you can get a better look too.
birb2: birb harder - Album on Imgur

Thank you for help and advice, i really appreciate it!

aluz 06-10-2016 03:20 PM

You're most welcome, Alex!

Your Quincy's cere (cere is the upper part of the beak where the nostrils are located) is showing the typical colours of a female who is currently out of breeding condition. Her cere is mainly whitish in colour and has a very faint light blue colour on the edges.

It's good that your mother has reconsider and will be returning the budgie.
I doubt the balancing problems are directly linked to the mites, he may have other health issues. Also if his wings have been recently clipped, that could explain the balancing problem as he could be still adjusting from the clip.

You do well in taking Quincy to the avian vet and to be on the safe side, it's best to give her a preventative treatment for the mites.
The cage, however will have to be thoroughly washed and disinfected, as well as all the perches, food and water containers, toys, etc, because she can still get mites even if not directly from this new budgie.

FaeryBee 06-10-2016 03:24 PM

I'm very glad to hear the new bird is going back to the breeder. Is that happening today, hopefully?

Clean and disinfect everything in your budgie's cage as soon as the new bird has been removed from the house.
This means the cage, perches, toys, food and water dishes and anything else the new bird has been in contact with during its time in your home.

For your budgie, you can wait until you get to the Avian Vet on Monday to get the necessary treatment for mites. They won't appear immediately but chances are the budgie has already been infected. The Avian Vet will most probably prescribe Ivermectin Spot On Treatment. Since your budgie doesn't have visible signs of mites at this time, it will probably only take one treatment.

Please encourage your mother to become a member of the Talk Budgies forum so she can learn about the best practices with regard to caring for budgies.

If she would like to have an account of her own on the forum, please send me a Private Message when she sets up her User ID. As you are in the same household, the forum will alert me that you have multiple user IDs so I'll need to know her User ID once she chooses one.

Please tell your Mom that the Talk Budgies Administrator has personally issued an invitation for her to join us. It is important that all members in a household be on the same page when it comes to understanding and caring for budgies. :)

Peebs 06-10-2016 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanebudgie (Post 3664914)
Greetings I also agree with aluz as well.its very sad the situation you are in.I truly hope somehow things will workout for you and your budgies.but we're here for you as best as can be for advice and comfort for you.Blessings and sending healing prayers for your budgie.

Thank you for your kind words, it's lovely to see people that care so much for others!

Peebs 06-10-2016 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaeryBee (Post 3664946)
I'm very glad to hear the new bird is going back to the breeder. Is that happening today, hopefully?

Clean and disinfect everything in your budgie's cage as soon as the new bird has been removed from the house.
This means the cage, perches, toys, food and water dishes and anything else the new bird has been in contact with during its time in your home.

For your budgie, you can wait until you get to the Avian Vet on Monday to get the necessary treatment for mites. They won't appear immediately but chances are the budgie has already been infected. The Avian Vet will most probably prescribe Ivermectin Spot On Treatment. Since your budgie doesn't have visible signs of mites at this time, it will probably only take one treatment.

Please encourage your mother to become a member of the Talk Budgies forum so she can learn about the best practices with regard to caring for budgies.

If she would like to have an account of her own on the forum, please send me a Private Message when she sets up her User ID. As you are in the same household, the forum will alert me that you have multiple user IDs so I'll need to know her User ID once she chooses one.

Please tell your Mom that the Talk Budgies Administrator has personally issued an invitation for her to join us. It is important that all members in a household be on the same page when it comes to understanding and caring for budgies. :)

Thanks for the info! I've spent the hour cleaning out the cage to the best of my abilities, but i couldn't get any disinfectant spray that wouldn't be harmful on such short notice, so i'll either go tomorrow to get some or when i pick up the medication and completely clean the cage again.

As for my mum, i told her that you've invited her to join the forum, but to quote her words "i'm staying out of it now, and i don't need a lecture on how to take care of a bird" (even though she does because saying your dad used to own budgies clearly makes you an expert :mad1:) I do apologise for this, she's just really stubborn sometimes.

Again thank you so much for the help, it really means a lot.

Peebs 06-10-2016 06:08 PM

Oh, also to mention, we have took the new budgie back to the seller, and i've also told her to do the same as i have, and what medication to get.

She told me that the breeder she bought them from sold them for really cheap, so i assume he knew they had mites and was just trying to get rid of them, which is really awful. And what's worse is he sells his budgies to shops also, and i swear i've been in the shop he sells them to before because i went in at one point whilst i was in the area to buy a new perch and all the birds that they had looked exactly the same as this young male i bought today. I'm really concerned honestly and i don't know if i should get in contact with anyone to tell them because i don't want anyone else either buying already sick birds, or infecting their healthy ones with sick birds.

FaeryBee 06-10-2016 06:43 PM

Your mother is always welcome to log into the forum just to read the information available.
The information is here and available, even if she chooses to log in a guest.
She need never register as a member nor post unless she decides she wishes to do so. :)

You might let her know that the purpose of the forum is to promote the best practices for the health and well-being of budgies.
There have been many changes in what is considered safe and effective with regard to budgie care in the last 20 years.

I had budgies as a child and the way they were cared for then is very different than the way my budgies cared for now. ;)

With regard to reporting the pet store (and/or the breeder) I think it would be beneficial to the community for you to do so.
You can contact the proper organization in charge of animal protection services in your area.

https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...onditions.html

You can use the following disinfectant with no concern about toxicity for your budgie:
https://www.amazon.com/F10-SC-F10SC-...y+disinfectant


Best wishes!


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