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Old 06-30-2016, 11:35 AM
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Hello, I'm new here and I don't believe I ever saw a thread with a similar problem, so sorry if I'm mistaken.

I have 3 budgies, 2 male and 1 female. I got a male and female shortly before new year (due to my fathers insistence, I wanted just the guy) and the old male (named Boris) seemed pretty happy to finally have more bird company. He seemed like he really liked the other male ( Piotr) while not caring at all about the girl (Illyana). About less than a month later, I got them a new, bigger cage as the old one was a bit broken ( a long time ago the cat jumped on it and the cage fell, making the plastic top break into a few pieces) and I figured it'd also be better because then Boris would have no reason to be territorial with the new birds. Like I suspected, they all seemed pretty happy with the cage and never fought.

Fast forward to now, Boris recently started attacking Piotr (chasing him around the cage, jumping on him, tossing him on the floor and clawing at him) while Piotr is just trying to stay away when he does this. I think Boris might be trying to woo Illyana (he started singing, headbobing and trying to feed her recently), but she's just as disinterested in him as she always was. So far the only injury that happened from the two fighting that I can tell is a small scratch across a finger on one foot on Boris.
I decided to seperate them for now, as I don't want to one day find one dead on the ground. Boris is now in his old cage on my desk while the bigger cage is on another table on the opposite wall, so they can still clearly see eachother.

My questions is: Is this really just Boris trying to impress Illyana into mating with him? How long should I keep them seperate? Is there any way I can get them to not fight when around eachother?


other things that might be useful to know:

- Illyana and Piotr should be a bit over 1 year old now, while Boris is probably like 2.5-3 years old.
- Boris was alone before for about a whole year, the last budgie he had as company being a girl that died a few months after I got her ( she got sick during the end of the week, and I could not convince my mom to take me to the vet as it's too far for me to walk. She seemed better on saturday, but then got worse again and died on sunday :c)
- Illyana has not layed any eggs so far, or tried to nest anywhere
- Boris didn't protect the water or food bowl from Piotr

This is all the useful things that I could think of for now. Anytime I read about budgies fighting it always seems to be female on male, so I'm not sure what else I can do about this male on male fighting. .__.
Thanks in advance for any explanations!

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Old 06-30-2016, 11:49 AM
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Welcome to the forums!

The situation you have described is not rare at all, this can certainly happen when housing an odd number of budgies and even more so when they are mix gendered.

You have taken the very best measure in housing Boris on a separate cage and this arrangement should be kept on a permanent basis in order to maintain stability in the flock and to avoid stressful situations where the fighting can escalate and end in tragedy.
If you notice the same hostile behaviour when your budgies are having out of cage time, then you will also need to schedule separate out of cage time for your budgies. You can spend one-on-one time with Boris at one time and to allow your other budgies to come out of the cage at a different time.
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...en-flocks.html

Also if you have any nesting sites or hiding spots on the cage, it's also best to remove these in order to keep your budgies' hormones under control and to discourage breeding behaviour. https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...want-eggs.html

Since you also have a pet cat, extra safety measures should also be implemented in order to minimize the chances of an accident.
For your budgies overall safety and welfare, it's best that they are kept in a cat free room. The same thing goes when having out of cage time.
You can check this link for detailed info: https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...irds-prey.html
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Oh, I wasn't aware odd numbers can cause a fight :0 I always read it was just better for social reasons to have even numbers, and that males tend to get along better.

So far Illyana and Piotr never had any out of cage time as neither are willing to stand on my finger, they're both willing to come on my hand only when I hold it as an open palm and have food on it. From what I remember reading, it's not really advisable to let them out until they're tame enough to at least be willing to stand on a finger, yes?

They have no nesting sites, so yay for no eggs!

They're in my bedroom where the cat isn't allowed to be in, the time the accident happened was when I was outside the house and the cat managed to sneak in from my dad not closing the hallway door that leads to my room. ;p She got in a few times since then, but never pulled a stunt like that again (probably also helps that I was there).
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I agree with aluz with regard to housing Boris in a separate cage on a permanent basis.

With regard to allowing birds that are not hand tamed to have out of cage time -- while some people say you need to have them finger tamed, mine are not. They have out-of-cage time on a daily basis and have learned to go back in their cages because they know when they do so they get a treat. (Positive Reinforcement Training)

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Hi Gorwen,
I have 9 budgies an only 1 is hand tame but they all get out of the cage time and they do go back into their cages on their own. I can get them to step up onto a rope perch so I can put them back into their cages if need be. I also have one aggressive male that I have had to separate as he causes havoc between everyone and has an obsession with another of my males and will fight others that come between them. I moved him to a different room and everyone is calmer and happier now.
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Hi there and to the forums!

You've been given great advice and I'm glad to hear you're taking the necessary steps to avoid fighting by housing Boris separately.

The resources and information provided by Deborah is extremely useful to ensure you're aware of all the best budgie care and practices, so be sure to read through everything! If you have any questions afterwards, please be sure to ask as we'd love to help

Hope to see you around, as well as meet Boris, Piotr, and Illyana when you get the chance!

Best wishes and be sure to keep us posted on the situation!
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