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Old 07-03-2016, 05:18 AM
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I feel like I'm bombarding this forum with questions lol... but I have another one.

I think Snowy is being mean to Bell - usually they are good, preen each other, feed each other, sleep next to each other etc.

However, occasionally Snowy would be sitting on a perch and Bell would like to come sit next to her and she wouldn't let him - a few times I'd see that she either pecks him or flaps her wings and then he falls down...

I saw this happening again today and I've put Snowy in a different cage

We got Snowy to keep Bell company, and Bell loves her, he follows her around and he would let her eat first and makes room for her always so it would be really sad to separate them... the idea was when we're not at home they'll have each other.

Another information - Bell is probably male and Snowy is a female.

What should we do?

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Ok first thing you need to do is find out what sex both of your budgies are. You can post a front on picture here ,taken with no flash if possible this will help by us knowing what sex they both are.
If you have a female budgie and get another budgie placing the new one into the females cage can cause aggression. Females can be quite territorial. The size of the cage also is important .
If they continue to be aggressive then separate cages might be advisable.
Please post the close up picture and we can sex your budgies for you.
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Budgies can at times bicker and by watching their body language and how they interact throughout the day, you will be in a better position to determine if what you saw was an isolated case of harmless light bickering or if it was a case of straight bullying.
There are also effective ways to minimize the chances of bickerings, and this is done by providing twos of everything in the cage.
Two food dishes, two toys of the same type, two swings, etc. It's also important to have the cage arranged in a way which will limit the night time bickerings for a chosen spot to sleep in.

Usually when bullying is involved, there will be more of a consistent chasing and harassment, the budgie will have trouble in feeding him/herself properly and won't have the freedom or peace of mind to lead his/her normal life, since they will be in a state of stress.

You may find the information on this link helpful: https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...en-flocks.html
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:35 AM
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I've tried to take some photos in natural light without flash.

Bell is the violet one and Snowy is gray.





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They have two food dishes, one dish for water and I place food in different spots of the cage - they don't fight over the food, they actually eat next to each other nicely. Even though they have two dishes sometimes they do want to eat from the same dish - in that case Bell usually lets Snowy eat first (or sometimes he'll eat from a different dish but her won't bicker with her).

They sleep together without any issue.

It seems to me that Snowy is a female and Bell is a male so he gives her a lot more attention than she gives him. So occasionally she won't let him sit on the perch or when he wants to groom her and she's not into it she'll peck at him..

It's not bullying per se - she doesn't chase him or not let him eat but just a 'mean' behavior. On the one hand not too serious but on the other hand I wish she was nicer to him...
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From these photos, I'm seeing a light bluish colour mingled with white and prominent white circles around the nostrils of both your Snowy and Bell.
I believe you have two young female budgies there.

If you currently have your budgies separated into different cages, you can allow them to have supervised out of cage time together and depending on how they behave, you can later on let them go back to sharing the same cage. Before doing so, you can do a total cage makeover as this can also minimize territorial behaviour/fights.
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I'm adding a few different photos taken in different angles/light - in some light Bell's cere does look white but in others it's light blue - in real life I don't see white at all, I just see the blue...











I put them back into the one cage, and most of the time they're ok and then there's some bickering - now it's Bell that seems to annoy Snowy. Bell is also going though his/hers first molt so that might be another factor ... When Snowy was going through hers she wasn't having much fun either.

So I do want to keep them in the same cage because they preen each other but also Bell is not behaving his usual self and bickers with Snowy.
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Both Snowy and Bell appear to be female to me.
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And some more photos where it looks blue



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If they're both females at least then we don't have to worry about eggs

I hope they'll be friendly once again though :/
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They are still very young and the pictures you have posted are not full frontal so it's difficult to be certain of the genders.

Try to get full frontal pictures of the ceres taken in natural light.
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