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Default Are show Budgies changing behavior

Are we getting to concerned about mutations & colors & puffy heads more than a birds natural functions?
What I mean is a wild Budgie is quick & agile. A English Budgie could not survive in the wild because we made them to big & slow to escape a predator. Also I don't think they could see food or water or a predator from above with all those extra feathers near the eyes.
We have done the same thing in the dog world. A English Bulldog has such a big head that most have to be delivered C-section.
We love wrinkles in a Shar-pei that now they need eye surgery to remove excess skin from the eye.
A show English Setter could never hunt birds in thorn & briar patches with that long wavy fur.
I agree we should breed for health & good genetics & calmness.
Are we messing with creation & nature? I think yes.

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Hmm interesting topic for sure.I wonder too with all those feathers on a English budgie and some mutations as well.I'm no expert on this but I also think that way as well.just my two cents worth of a opinion.Blessings always
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Interesting... certainly something to think about. I'm not sure how much I agree; I will have to mull this over for a while. Very interesting topic though.
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Just like with most things in life, moderation is important and exaggeration is to be avoided.
Unfortunately, some breeders just aren't ethical and will breed to reach certain standards, even if that is in detriment of the general health of their breeding pairs and the offspring these pairs will produce.

There is good selective breeding and bad selective breeding.
When breeding for temperament, good genes, health/longevity we are also intervening in nature.
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well Im not an expert here at all as I have only just recently got my 3 English budgies 2 of which are show type and though the show ttype exhibition budgies are bigger and longer feathered than my smaller English and 3 American type budgies I have to say their sight is very good and they are active and playful now they have settled in and are proving to be even more active especially the hen than their shorter feathered American buddies. I can only comment on the few I have but in general I have to say that any pet bird is not as agile as a wild one for they dont have to fend for themselves in all kinds of weather building up muscle in dealing with strong winds and having to fly long distances for food...I have a White Fronted Amazon who looks just like his wild cousins but he would not be able to survive in the wild like they do. once you make a pet of a species and breed them as pets for generations they lose the ability to be able to make it in the wild whether they are budgies or larger parrots...to survive in the wild needs parent training from the nest by birds who have themselves been parent raised or birds that have been helped return to the wild by very specialised and highly trained people. i will say this though without the slightest twinge of guilt: while I love all my budgies have to say I am head over heels in love with my English budgies and especially my exhibition type budgies and I would not want them to look like or act like the Adorable little wild budgie which incidently is way smaller in size than even many of the pet type short feathered budgies or the American type budgie ...they are all Adorable in their own right but you are correct in what you say; Exhibition budgies are not bred to hack it in the wild nor are the American type budgies that have been pet bred for generations either.

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I think far too many creatures are bred for what the human wants with no regard for what the poor bird, cat, dog, etc. will suffer.
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I think far too many creatures are bred for what the human wants with no regard for what the poor bird, cat, dog, etc. will suffer.
Yes, this is sort of my point.
Now we breed helicopter budgie or a feather duster just because some judge thought it looked cool and awarded a 1st place ribbon.
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The above post is a great point.
Other species of pet parrots look exactly like there wild species.
For example, cockatiels look the same in the wild as in a pet store (minus a few color mutations)
The Electus parrot is the same. (including color)
Conures are the same.
etc. etc.

Nobody has tried to change there shape or size or feather configuration.
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It is a well-known fact that pure-bred dogs have many more health problems due to the selective breeding processes throughout the years.

English Budgies were originally bred for show and many breeders concentrated on size and looks, forgoing the importance of the health and temperament of the birds.

If you compare English Budgies and American Budgies, both from reputable breeders who do breed for health and temperament, generally the English Budgies will have a shorter lifespan than their American counterparts.
Sadly, there are people who continue to breed only for size thinking "Bigger is Better" which is now resulting in budgies that can barely lift their heads.

I agree with Mary and do not believe any bird or animal born and raised in captivity would survive in the "wild".
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I totally agree with faerybee as well.I also think too much cross breeding and all can cause problems with budgies.I just prefer proven breeds and healthy birds.I want my budgie to live a long and healthy happy life.Blessings always
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