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Old 08-07-2016, 04:49 AM
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Hello. I have a now three (ish) year old bidgie that still has some questional behaviours.

When we got it it was eager to come out of its cage and fly around the room. It would sit on the speaker next to the tv and there it would sit all day quietly whistling. At night we would put it back in its cage to sleep. This happened less and less and now it is fairly rare for it to come out. We leave the cage door open all the time and some weekends where we are all in the lounge room it will whistle, jump around and ding its bell. Sometimes it jumps down and stands in the door but either it sits there for a couple of seconds and goes back in or it screeches at you, then goes back to jumping around. Very rarely if you talk to it for a while it gets the courage and climbs onto the roof and whistles. If you go to sit next to the cage while its on the roof it will scurry to the opposite side looking to escape until you stop moving where it will come back over. Then it comes as close as it can to you and leens over the side of the cage looking to get on your shoulder.
The thing is if you put out your hand for it to climb up it will always run back inside. You move to get closer for it to directly climb on and it runs inside. You keep calling and it either just gets nervous and runs inside or tries to jump/fly to you but fails and scurrys inside. I dont get it, it clearly wants to get on but just wont?

Another thing it does when your nearby talking to it is it will jump onto the closest side of the cage towards you. It will never make a sound when your close by but acts like it wants to be with you. If you attempt to put your finger out to touch it it will run away.
I dont understand as it clearly wants to be with you but rather preffers just clinging on the wall inside the cage next to you. It will even do this above the door instead of coming out.

Now the only time it sits on your shoulder is when you have to clean its cage. Because of the way its designed, it bangs and crashes alot which freaks it out.so i will have to spend 10 minutes trying to grab it while it tries to get away, because it hates hands. I feel this is not right but i have no idea how else to do it. But once it is placed on your shoulder it will happily sit there and tweet in your ear (ouch!), play with your hair and just climb around. But mostly it just sits there. It will sit there until you crouch down next to its cage where it plops through the door or it flies back itself. But when it flies back its like its forgotten how to fly, as its on this and only this situation it ever flies now. It misses the cage by a mile where it sometimes crashlands beside it, behind it or just miss it completely and land in a random spot where it waddles back in. Can they forget how to fly? Or is it doing it on purpose for some unknown reason.

Another thing, it doesnt like any foods! I read everywhere how you need to give it fruits and things along with its seed but it just eats seed. I try to give it fresh fruit but if i can (which is rare) it will take one nibble then just go to the back of the cage and sleep. The only food it has ever continuously nibbled at is apple. But i dont know wether it likes it because it eats one bit then proceeds to tear it appart.

All foods i present her with are situated on my finger because once i trained it to eat seed off my finger to attempt to move the seed to my palm, arm, then shoulder but once the seed is gone it will actually bite me then run away, its the only time it gives a good hard bite. if you put the seed on your palm just out of its reach (to attempt to get it to stand on my hand) it will just reach for it and if it cant get it it runs away.

Its cage is in the lounge room which is where the family is gathered most of the time (to give her some social time with us while we talk and watch tv at night). It is put inbetween the tv and the drum kit, i think it likes it as when you play the drums or a song on the tv it will whistle and tweet along but it is usualy at an almost deafening level and i dont know wether that is good, but it seems to not have a problem (it doesnt try to run away or get scared, it sits there calmly and tweets). The piano is not to far away either which it also tweets along to. Once i played my saxophone in the lounge room and it actualy came out and waddled my direction. This startled me as it hasnt waddled across the floor for years now so i stopped and it ran back. I guess the main question is is it safe (i.e. Going deaf or something) for them to be around this stuff?

One last thing is that it is (i think) excessively scratching its left nostril. Its done it so much that there is pretty much a big canyon in the side of its nose. Its even part of its "stretch" where after it stretches its wings it will scratch its nose for a few seconds then "sneeze", but it also does this all through the day pretty much the past year and a bit. Is this normal?

Sorry for such a long post, it has been 3 years now and its like she is getting nowhere. It is coming up on her nesting season which is the only time it actively explores, where it climbs the nearby curtains (and pulls out the seams!! ) and climbs over the drum kit, but thats about it.

Also, is it good to get a companion now? This summer we feel that it should probably have a companion or two, so we're gonna get a bigger cage and some more young birds. Will it get agressive with the new cage/companions? The cage is going to have an opening roof so it can perch on the top and (hopefully) be more enthusiastic to come to us.

I spent an hour typing this post up and i hope someone will know anything that can help me! Also i am unable to get this magic spray millet, i just cant find it anywhere!

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Old 08-07-2016, 07:19 AM
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Welcome to the forums!

From your description, it seems your budgie shows genuine curiosity when you sit close to the cage and talk to her.
You can entice your budgie to take advantage of out of cage time by having the cage's door open and attaching a perch on the cage's bars near the door and on the outside part of the cage. If you set up a little play area near the cage with a couple of her favourite toys and a tasty treat for her to eat, she will also be encouraged to leave the cage to investigate.

The fact that cleaning the cage involves you grabbing her perfectly explains why she is fearful of your hands and of having a closer interaction with you. Getting a better cage that's easy to clean would be the best option in order to avoid stressful situations for your budgie.

If you wish to have a closer bond with your budgie, you can start to work in training her by using positive reinforcement techniques which rewards good behaviour. Be sure to check the sticky threads at the top of the page on Taming and Bonding section of Talk Budgies. You can start by reading these links:

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If you are persistent in terms of offering your budgie fresh foods, she will eventually try them out. Vegetables are a vital component on a pet bird's diet and should be offered on a daily basis. A good starter veggie is romaine lettuce, most budgies will take to it very well. You can try to present veggies in different ways to see if it sparks your budgie's curiosity. Some like big leafy greens attached onto the cage's bars, while others prefer their veggies chopped up and placed on a bowl.
It's never too late to improve your budgie's diet and she will greatly benefit from a varied and balanced diet. For all the detailed info, be sure to check the Diet and Nutrition section of the forums.

As to the loud volume when it comes to the use of musical instruments, since we humans can experience changes in our own ears and have hearing issues, I guess a pet bird can experience similar issues when there is long term exposure to extremely loud sounds.
This is something that you should talk about with your avian vet specialist and it would really be best that you book your budgie an appointment since you have also noticed a change on one of her nostrils which with time has become quite big in size when compared to the other.

Given the fact your budgie is already 3 years old and she is used to being a solo budgie, she may not take well to the prospect of having budgie friends.

You will be the better judge of this, by watching her behaviour if your budgie looks happy and well, you won't need to get her a same species friend.

If you do decide to get her companionship, then please just get one budgie so that both of them have better chances of bonding and becoming friends.
By doing this you will also be reducing potential problems that come along when housing multiple budgies in one cage.

This link may be of use: https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...en-flocks.html

If you get another budgie, it's also recommended you follow quarantine procedures: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...necessary.html

https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...o-budgies.html
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aluz has given you excellent advice and I see no need to elaborate on her answers to your questions.

With regard to millet, you can easily order it on-line through Amazon.ca

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Hi there and to the forums!

I'm sorry to hear of the issues you've been having with your three year old budgie!

Aluz has given you wonderful advice and FaeryBee some great resources you should be sure to read over

To me, it sounds like she never really bonded with you, and even though she sounds "tame" or at least used to people, I believe you need to work with her as if she is a new budgie so she can gain confidence and trust in you. The links Aluz provided above will detail exactly how to do that.

If you have any questions after reading through everything, please be sure to ask as we'd love to help!

Hope to see you around, and we'd love to "meet" you little girl when you get a chance!

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