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Old 08-10-2016, 12:53 AM
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I was told before, to keep my budgies in separated cages. The vet told me that my male budgie will easily get depressed and stop eating if he doesn't have company. She was the one who told me that the budgies should share the same cage.

As expected,The female became the queen of the cage and food.

At first it was easy for me to control their weight by keeping each budgie in their separated cages. But the female wanted to be in the biggest cage with the male and they were missing each other.

As the months passed by, they start kissing. I have never seen them preening each other.
Her cere is pretty crusty and brown and it's being like that for weeks

I have been observing them pretty close. My female is a bit naughty and likes adventure. She gets bored even though she has plenty of toys and she is always waiting for me to take her out and I always do, whenever I come back from work.

Around 7 (Bed time for them) the female gets anxious,bored and aggressive so I take them to bed .

Today they were both happily kissing each other and suddenly,she bite the male's wing and I separated them in different rooms. Then after a while, I got her back in the cage with the male and she actually bite him in seconds and took out a little blood feather.

I feel really sad an heart broken. I know the female won't ever kill him but I don't want her to attack him. I don't know if I'm naive but sometimes I think that the female will change.

Maybe it is because he is smaller, thinner and with less feathers. He is a really calm little guy fearful of a bossy female. When they are both together, he chirps but he chirps more and play more with toys when she is not in the cage.


I hate when she bullies him. I want that to stop. I wonder if I try to train her with a clicker, will I be able to get rid of some negative behaviors?

I will keep them separated for a while. This is really sad because when they are in separated cages they both want to be together and seem pretty unhappy by being in separated cages or the male starts eating less.

But when they share the same cage they are happy during daylight but in the afternoon after 4:30pm the female gets aggressive

She always runs after him and behaves as the queen and owner of all the food cups and that. She first eats and then he does. (She doesn't like to share the food).

Sometimes she runs after him to bother him and other because they want to kiss each other but occasionally she tries to pick his feather. She has always been interesting in feathers. She likes to preen the feathers that I keep from her first molt.She plays with those.

But anyway, I have to accept that she attack him today. Sometimes she picks his feather but most of the time he escaped . I don't know if this behavior it's related to her hormones or by the fact that the male is not so interest in her. Maybe she feels rejected and that's why she reacts by attacking him.

He is little friendly guy but I don't think they will mate. They kiss each other but as the female keeps being bossy and trying to bite him when he tries to eat from the food cup (you know .. She is the queen) she actually scares him.

I know that the safest, fastest and easiest solution is to separate them but they also get sad about that. I really want to understand them to make their lives happier. I wish any of you could help me. Thank you


PD: another concern I have is that since I got my budgies like 3 months ago, he had his wings clipped well his feather are getting while to grow back again. He is also moulting but he has been with pin feather on his face for more than 2 weeks and I don't see any change. I found this a bit unusual


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Old 08-10-2016, 06:50 AM
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Hi damag,

Unfortunately, due to your Ibi's more aggressive temperament, she should be housed separately from your Bebito on a permanent basis.
We have talked about this before, your Ibi is the kind of bird who does better as a solo budgie.
It's not fair for Bebito to be bullied on a consistent manner and to live in a state constant of stress where he can hardly relax and eat in peace.

Depending on how Bebito copes with the change and by watching his behaviour you will then be able to make a decision for his overall welfare and happiness.
Even if that means rehoming him to an experienced owner who has the means and ability to work with him and possibly introduce him to a sweet tempered budgie companion.
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...en-flocks.html


About Bebito's clipped feathers, once these are moulted out, new ones will grow in. Budgies can moult in sections and it can take a good while for the flight feathers to grow especially if the wing section is not affected by the current moult.
To help with the moult and promote good feather growth, you can offer Bebito egg food.

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...e-molting.html

https://talkbudgies.com/your-budgies-...ting-faqs.html
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:05 AM
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I agree with aluz.

Ibi has proven herself to be a very aggressive bird and she may well kill Bebito in one of her attacks.
As you have been told multiple times, it is not fair to Bebito to be subjected to being bullied on a regular basis.

I certainly hope for Bebito's sake you will follow the advice aluz has given you.
If you refuse to separate the two, you will soon be posting in either the Emergency or In Memory section of the forum.
Although the comment may seem harsh to you, it is the reality of the situation.

For Bebito's health and well-being, please separate him immediately into a different cage.
After doing so, you can then make the decision about whether to get him a male friend or rehome him to someone who can care for him and meet his needs.

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Yes they are separate. I think rehoming is the best option but I will miss him. It makes me mad all this is happening. But why is she like that. I want to understand that. With me she is angel. Is it because she is too strong? You know more than me. I told. My parents that they are going to live separate but as we are moving to small house pretty soon I don't know what will happen then. I feel bad about this

Rehoming or separating them is already a decision but I want to understand the behavior when she escaped and I found her with lots of bird ( budgies and cockatiels) she was find and actually shy and she was there for two weeks that's why I thought she will be fine with another budgie

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Another question is: should the cages should be one in front of the other ( consider that the vet told me that Bebito is the kind of budgie that gets depressed when he doesn't see a mother budgie).

B) once in another forum somebody told me to separate them and get a sweet and calm female for him and give them a separate cage. And live Ibi in a small cage

C) could this be happening because I spoiled her too much ?
My decision is done. I agree with both of you. He deserve to be calmed and happy and he will be.
But I really want to understand my female e behavior.

Could this be happen due to his hormones?while she was with other birds she didn't behave that way.
I'm so unhappy right now


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I agree with aluz.

Ibi has proven herself to be a very aggressive bird and she may well kill Bebito in one of her attacks.
As you have been told multiple times, it is not fair to Bebito to be subjected to being bullied on a regular basis.

I certainly hope for Bebito's sake you will follow the advice aluz has given you.
If you refuse to separate the two, you will soon be posting in either the Emergency or In Memory section of the forum.
Although the comment may seem harsh to you, it is the reality of the situation.

For Bebito's health and well-being, please separate him immediately into a different cage.
After doing so, you can then make the decision about whether to get him a male friend or rehome him to someone who can care for him and meet his needs.

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Could a male also become violent?


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Your Ibi has more of an independent and strong personality, she is the type of budgie that is perfectly fine and happy with the daily interaction with her human friend, which is you. You have mentioned in the past that she had a close bond to you. She's seeing Bebito as competition and as an intruder.

You can keep the cages side by side while keeping a safe distance between them so that no toes are bitten if/when Bebito is climbing on the cage's bars.

If both Ibi and Bebito look stressed and agitated, then it's best to move one of the cages to a separate room to give both of your budgies the time to settle to this change. You can help in terms of reducing the stress levels by covering the cages on 3 sides and having some calming music on for them.

Budgies of both genders can have a more dominant personality and violent/aggressive temperament. This is something that can be inherited from the parents (if parents have violent temperament) and be developed further while the chicks are being raised. The way a chick is socialized early on will also impact behaviour later on. Traumatic experiences later in life can also have a negative impact on the pet bird.

Given the situation at hand, I also think rehoming Bebito is the wisest option.
If you were to get another budgie, regardless of gender, you could still end up with the same problem, and then you would have all budgies separated.

The best solution would be for you to find a good home where Bebito will be taken care of by experienced pet bird owners. This way, you will be able to give Ibi the love and undivided attention she wants from you.
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I totally understands but it is still heart breaking for me. One Facebook friend who rescue budgies told me that as she has budgies from different ages each of them lives in their own cages but they share free time together.
I thought about rehoming him a while ago like two months when I realized my budgies didn't like so much as other budgies does. But I didn't find the right family for him. Somebody who will talk them softly, spend time with them, buy them quality of food and toys.
I will write you later cause I'm at work but I wanted you to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can't stop feeling sad


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It's understandable that you feel sad about this situation but it's really for the best.
Ibi can't help her behaviour it is natural to her. All in all, you've been offered great advice.
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I agree completely with aluz that it is best for Bebito to be rehomed.

Even though you are sad, part of being a responsible pet owner is putting the needs of your animals before your own feelings.

Both Ibi and Bebito will benefit from you finding a safe and loving home for Bebito and devoting your attention to Ibi.
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I found a sweet Home ! Remember the lovely woman who told me where Ibi was. Thanks to her I found her. I know she loves budgies and his kid too but I can stop feeling deeply sad. I really wanted to keep him. I love him and it is depressing to let him go but I want him to be happy. He deserves it. I know it but there is a big wound in my heart. My birthdays is soon and this is not a happy event for me


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Have you taken Bebito to his new home now?

Even though it is hard for you, it is the best thing for him.
You can think of him being happy and playing joyfully rather than being bullied by Ibi.
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