Breeding Supplements: What Do You Use? - Talk Budgies Forums


User Menu
Forum Home
Budgie Gallery
Budgie FAQ
Site Guidelines
How-To-Guide
Members List
Today's Posts
Log In
Register now!
Search



Advanced Search
Popular Forums
Announcements

Budgie Articles

Budgie Talk

Budgie Pictures

Budgie Videos

Budgie Behavior

Determining Gender

Your Budgie's Health

Taming and Bonding

Budgie Breeding

In Memory

Other Birds

Contests

Chit Chat

Site Information

Talk Network
Talk Budgies
Talk Cockatiels
Talk Parrotlets
Talk Parrots
Sponsored Ads

Go Back   Talk Budgies Forums > Budgie Talk > General Budgie Talk


Closed Thread
 
Short URL LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 09-06-2016, 11:01 PM
Newbie
 
Profile:birbytea is offline
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Owner
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 10
Rep Power: 0
birbytea is on a distinguished road
Default Breeding Supplements: What Do You Use?

Hey all!

I'm breeding my budgies for the first time and was recommended to use Petamine as their breeding supplement. I was told that it should bring them into condition. Seeing as how it's primarily a powder (ground corn and things), mixed with seed, I have mixed it with ground Roudybush and made a soft food out of it. My birds eat this readily enough.

Is there a better alternative to feeding it this way? Also, how successful have you been w/ Petamine? ex:if your birds were not in breeding condition how long did it take for them to come into it on supplements?

What are some other breeding supplements you would recommend? Any help would be appreciated!


Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 09-07-2016, 08:03 AM
aluz's Avatar
Exceptional Service Award Recipient
State:
 
Profile:aluz is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Portugal
Posts: 21,788
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 19619
Rep Power: 56
aluz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Welcome to the forums!

You haven't given any background information on your current situation.
For how long have you had budgies? Are you relatively new to the species?
Are you able to provide prompt medical attention to your budgies or chicks in case they need the services of an avian vet specialist?

In order to breed responsibly and be fully prepared for the journey and everything that it entails, a person should have a very good grasp of the species and in this specific case a decent amount of real life experience in budgie ownership, this coupled with the necessary research into the subject will raise the chances of success.

The decision to breed comes with a whole lot of responsibility and commitment, the lives of the breeding pair(s) and the chicks are depending on you and the response you give if/when faced with adversity.
Things like being able to tell if your breeding pair is in good health and top physical condition to go through breeding; when a hen is expecting an egg or if she is showing the first signs of being egg bound; when a chick is having developmental problems, not being fed or showing signs of dehydration;
when there is aggression, abandonment and neglect of the chicks and it's solely up to you to feed and raise the chicks. The ability to detect early on and solve these issues can truly make a difference on the outcome of your breeding journey.

Please check this link: https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...s-new-old.html

Personally, I don't use products to encourage breeding, I prefer to go through the natural way, by giving my budgies a conditioning diet adequate for breeding.
For detailed information on this subject, be sure to read the stickies at the top of the Budgie Breeding section.

You can start with these ones:

https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...condition.html

https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...ding-diet.html
__________________


RIP sweet Tito (Summer 2008 - January 17th 2013).
You are missed and never will be forgotten.
  #3  
Old 09-07-2016, 09:40 AM
FaeryBee's Avatar
FaeryBee (Deborah)
Administrator



State:
 
Profile:FaeryBee is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 53,836
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 2594
Rep Power: 35
FaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hi! to Talk Budgies

aluz is 100% correct in her advice to you regarding breeding.
The purpose of this forum is to promote only the best practices for the health and well-being of budgies.

So... in order to help, we need to know more about your background and experience with budgies.

Please take the time to read through all of the How To Guides, the FAQs and the stickies located at the top of each section of the forum.

You'll find most of your basic questions about budgies and caring for them will have been answered after you've read through all of them.

Site Guidelines
How-To Guides
FAQs Frequently Asked Questions
Budgie Articles
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...-stickies.html
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...ng-forums.html
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...e-expense.html
Avian First Aid
Why Quarantine?

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...watch-out.html

https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...s-new-old.html

https://talkbudgies.com/housing-budgi...age-sizes.html
https://talkbudgies.com/housing-budgi...reat-cage.html
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...directory.html

When you upload pictures as thumbnail attachments directly from your computer, tablet or phone, the forum automatically defaults to landscape.

To upload full-sized pictures with the proper orientation, please use a photo-sharing service such as PhotoBucket and follow the steps in these instructions:
https://talkbudgies.com/how-guides/17...otobucket.html

For gender and/or mutation help - Lighting and Angle DOES matter

By the way, all photos entered in any of our forum contests must be a full-size photo and not a thumbnail attachment so it's good to know how to upload them!

If you have any questions after reading through everything, please be sure to ask!

Glad you decided to join us and looking forward to seeing you around the forums.

__________________

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 09-07-2016, 07:08 PM
StarlingWings's Avatar
Super Moderator // MEMBER OF THE YEAR 2015


 
Profile: StarlingWings is online now
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 1
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Lover
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 17,580
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 12055
Rep Power: 38
StarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hi there and to the forums!

You've been given great advice Keep in mind that this is all in the very best interest of your budgies, as breeding without proper knowledge, research, and preparation is never advised because of the many risks associated with it.

If you do wish to breed your budgies now or in the future, the forums are a great place to start researching or continue researching

If you have any questions after reading through all the links provided, please do ask as we'd be more than happy to help.

Cheers!
__________________

~StarlingWings~
and Princess Mallorn!
Thank you to Deb for her wonderful Faery magic
  #5  
Old 09-08-2016, 11:03 AM
Jo Ann's Avatar
Jo Ann (Jo Ann)
Member of the Year 2016//Exceptional Service Award August 2016//MOTM May 2013


State:
 
Profile:Jo Ann is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 12+-
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Atlanta area, GA USA
Posts: 4,409
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 11967
Rep Power: 33
Jo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond reputeJo Ann has a reputation beyond repute
Smile Breeding

A number of the bigger budgie breeders here in the US use vetafarm's Soluvite D Breeder. It was developed in Australia by vetafarm ,the company that makes Amphoteracin B which is very effective but also expensive. It combats fungal infections in budgies. Lady Gouldian Finch is US vendor for vetafarm products, Like. Soluvite D is a good less expensive form of Solute D Breeder. A number of breeders join together to reduce cost and purchase in bulk.Cost is a big issue in a breeders approach to life.

Just a few days ago, I was able to help a large breeder caught in the hurricane that hit the Florida panhandle to obtain Ampho B and Sodium Benzoate to combat AGY in his flock of close to 200 birds. He produces healthy birds and is often on the Top bench at shows.

The following comments are based on my experience as an experienced breeder of Budgies. There is an elephant in the closet that has breeder and vets at odds with each other here in the US. I believe both sides have an important role in the wellbeing of the birds, exotics, farm animals, and our dogs and cats that are such important parts of our lives. When we get sick we go to a Doctor or a vet for the solutions to make us well again. Because of the money factor medical care is often delayed or totally missing. Many birds and animals die for lack of vet care. I have been there and had to make decisions too many times. For me Quality of life is a deciding factor. When we consider bringing a new member into our home, we are called to understand that we are bound to care for this new member until it dies. This includes making vet bills a priority.

We have negotiated an agreement with our vet that allows us to split expensive bills into monthly units. This is built upon mutual trust built over years. Vets will often give families with multiple animals a discount. Also As we have an aviary discount. It makes good business sense to reward customers who bring a greater number of patients and owners have the security of knowing there is a place we can go to help our animal companions in an emergency. This is Why I repeatedly ask if you have funds, and a first aid kit and the biggie o you have a regular relationship with a vet. No, the Staff of TB can not substitute for a vets knowledge and commitment to animal health.

Here in arises the great divide. Breeders cannot afford to pay vet fees and vets need to charge fees to make a decent living. The cost of education and building a profitable and fulfilling small business. Many breeders have a wide range of education and experience, but we are still not vets. Yes we can do many simple health care procedures, but there are always issues where we need medical support and advise. My breeder friends think I am a little nuts for taking my birds to a vet, but when things get tough I get calls for help with emergency issues. I am glad to do this but I wish more people had taken the plunge to build a give and take with a vet. For example when I first went to this vet I had to break through the front desk WALL between me and our vet. And the staff would not hear me when I suggested that a balanced diet including seeds was better than only pellets. Now not only Harrisons but Zupreem and Roudybush and nutriberries are for sale from my vet. They see what is in my birds food cups and my birds are healthy. I go the extra mile to do mini vet exams several times a year and take birds that have problems I can not handle to see our vet. It took 4 visits for me to get the vet to see and ID a paracite on some of my birds imported from Florida. It turned out to be bird lice which look like tiny wiggling black threads and show especially in the yellow and white birds. He finally found the little critters but I spent many visits feeling rejected because the vet could not see this product of my imagination. We must be strong enough to insist in a situation like this.

In my life relationship is a very big word that defines my daily life. When we build trust one day at a time and own our errors and seek forgiveness as we attempt to fix them we are putting money in our social banks.Human beings have a skill far more valuable than money. It is our finite skills we learn everyday by successfully overcoming challenges we become stronger and of greater value. This is called Human Equity or Sweat Equity. It is a very valuable commodity and better than the stock market in my life. So as I move through life I tickle our vet and then turn around and tickle breeders I know to learn to use a scale, to ID sick birds. Few do this because the old way takes time which cuts into profit. I see a big skill That members of TB can share are ways we can repay loss with solid knowledge. So I want to thank you each and everyone who stops to read all of those reams of info in our Sticky and Archive files. And if you think/ feel something is incorrect bring it to staff attention. So this is my soapbox for the day!!! Blessings and Enjoy your Day, Jo Ann
__________________

Thanks for the signature FaeryBee

Last edited by Jo Ann; 09-09-2016 at 02:17 AM.
Closed Thread



Bookmarks

Tags
breeding, supplement

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:54 PM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2000- 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2006 - , 2403 Networks LLC. All rights reserved.