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Old 09-18-2016, 11:21 AM
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Hi there, I recently got 2 new budgies and keeping 1 in quarantine...sorta (the rooms of the birds aren't fully disconnected).
I have some questions about my budgies and their environment to best take care of them and such.

1) Do budgies not like being around other birds? The older budgie is near the cage of 2 zebra finches that I've had for a long time and they keep making noise and jumping around (they are energetic birds).

2) At what age or for how long do I have to wait to start taming/teaching my birds to talk?

3) If the birds are together in 1 cage, is it still possible to tame one or both of them?

4) Do budgies prefer a more calm environment or more crowded/loud one?

5) Is it possible for ALL male budgies to learn to talk? My budgies aren't like others, I think their mutation/type seems a bit strange, but what do I know, I'm just a beginner.

Any help is appreciated, I'm obviously a new beginner with budgies as I didn't have the time to research any of this...the bird would've died from neglecting in their old house.



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Ivan,

It is important that you take the time to read the Stickies and the Budgie Articles throughout the forum. You've been given the links multiple times. The answers to all the questions you've asked are answered there. It is a budgie owner's responsibility to take the time to do the necessary research in order to be a good owner.

While we are here to help you if you have questions after reading everything, our purpose is not to provide easy answers without you making an effort.

I hope you understand the importance of this as it is what sets apart a responsible and mature pet owner from those who simply want to take the easy way out.
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Old 09-18-2016, 12:31 PM
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Ivan,

It is important that you take the time to read the Stickies and the Budgie Articles throughout the forum. You've been given the links multiple times. The answers to all the questions you've asked are answered there. It is a budgie owner's responsibility to take the time to do the necessary research in order to be a good owner.

While we are here to help you if you have questions after reading everything, our purpose is not to provide easy answers without you making an effort.

I hope you understand the importance of this as it is what sets apart a responsible and mature pet owner from those who simply want to take the easy way out.
Alright, I've read the FAQs and many stickies. I do understand the responsibility but I'm not trying to get information spoon-fed to me, I just didn't find many posts/articles that can answer most of my questions. For (1), is it absolutely necessary to separate my budgies from my other birds?
For (2), couldn't find the answer. What I meant by it is for how long do I have to wait before starting to tame a budgie?
Couldn't find the answers to 4 and 5 too. Again, I try as hard as I can to look for information and understand the responsibility, it is not my intention to take the easy way out. Thanks.

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I'll keep looking meanwhile!
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Hi Ivan! I'm glad to hear you've been looking through the FAQs and Stickies, that's a great start to being a new budgie owner!

It's always good to hear of proactive owners who are taking the initiative to learn as much as they can about their new birds

To answer your question, budgies shouldn't ever be housed with other species in a cage, although they do enjoy being in the same room as other small birds sometimes, such as finches.

Any budgie can learn to talk, it's a matter of whether or not they choose to

Budgies generally enjoy loud, happy environments, although not always. A totally silent environment indicates danger so leaving music on for them when you're not home and during the day when they're first settling in will help.

As to taming, here's a great quote from FaeryBee that may help you:

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Taming and Bonding is all about helping your budgie learn to trust you and it takes a great deal of time and patience on your part.
You should never grab your budgie or force him to be touched.
To bond with your budgie, you need to build his trust in you.
He will have to learn over time that you will not hurt him, grab him and try to force him to allow you to hold him.

To build your budgie’s trust, sit by his cage and read, talk or sing quietly to him for a period of at least 10-15 minutes, 3 or 4 times day. After the 2nd or 3rd day, rest your hand on the outside of the cage when you talk to him so he'll learn that your hand is safe and will not hurt him.

After a week, rest your hand inside the cage when you talk.
Don’t make sudden moves, don’t try to touch him.
Let his get used to the idea that the hand is now in his safe place and not harming him.

After 2 weeks, begin moving your hand slowly toward your budgie. If he becomes agitated, stop moving your hand and just hold very still until he calms down. When he's comfortable with your hand near him, you can offer him a bit of millet or a few seeds. In a few more days, you can begin your taming and bonding sessions.

Always work at your budgie's pace.
Move slowly and talk reassuringly and calmly to him whenever you interact with him.

Most budgies once they pass the "baby" stage, do not like to be petted or touched.
If your budgie does like to be petted, you should only ever pet his head, neck or chest area.
Stroking a budgie's back and/or tail stimulates its breeding instinct. Bonding means allowing them to choose to be with you.
Keep on looking through the forums! There's lots of information that will continue to help you along with your new budgies
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Hi Ivan! I'm glad to hear you've been looking through the FAQs and Stickies, that's a great start to being a new budgie owner!

It's always good to hear of proactive owners who are taking the initiative to learn as much as they can about their new birds

To answer your question, budgies shouldn't ever be housed with other species in a cage, although they do enjoy being in the same room as other small birds sometimes, such as finches.

Any budgie can learn to talk, it's a matter of whether or not they choose to

Budgies generally enjoy loud, happy environments, although not always. A totally silent environment indicates danger so leaving music on for them when you're not home and during the day when they're first settling in will help.

As to taming, here's a great quote from FaeryBee that may help you:



Keep on looking through the forums! There's lots of information that will continue to help you along with your new budgies
This is greatly appreciated, thanks!
About taming, I wasn't wondering about that, I know how to tame the bird very well by now, but what I meant is how and when should I start? After the birds settle in and become comfortable? After the quarantine ends? Or what?
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After a week, rest your hand inside the cage when you talk.
Don’t make sudden moves, don’t try to touch him.
Let his get used to the idea that the hand is now in his safe place and not harming him.

After 2 weeks, begin moving your hand slowly toward your budgie. If he becomes agitated, stop moving your hand and just hold very still until he calms down. When he's comfortable with your hand near him, you can offer him a bit of millet or a few seeds. In a few more days, you can begin your taming and bonding sessions.

Always work at your budgie's pace.
Move slowly and talk reassuringly and calmly to him whenever you interact with him.
This bit of the quote above explains that after the first week of having your budgie, you can begin by resting your hand in the cage to help him get used to you while you talk to him softly.
After that week, you can begin to move your hand a little bit closer and see how he feels. If he's still uncomfortable, simply leave your hand at the bottom of the cage until he's comfortable. Although you can start getting him used to your hand after a week, there's no "set time" that you'll be able to start actual taming as it depends on when he's used to your hand enough
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Another thing, we don't have any avian vets here AT ALL (nobody in this town/region cares about animals, it's a semitic religious place) so can I do what the vet might check/do with the birds? I know avian vet is a must but it was a choice of either taking the bird or it starving to death or dying of lonliness (I know, that's sad ).

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There are exotic vets that can help.

DR. GEVA NIR
Rehov Hey Biyar 64
62198 Tel Aviv-Yafo
Israel
03 544 3352

Additionally, when you take the time to research, you can also find a regular vet that may be willing to work with you to treat budgies. This can be done by the vet consulting an Avian Vet by phone if necessary.
You can also ask regular vets for referrals to someone with experience in caring for small birds.
When resources are limited, it is important to establish a good relationship with a professional that will be able to assist you.

https://www.secrettelaviv.com/everyt...s-in-tel-aviv/

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...amination.html

Be sure to utilize the information in the Budgie Articles: Budgie Articles - Disease and Illness
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Tel-Aviv is a 3 hour drive from my home, so I cannot make that trip (I'm only 16) and my mother certainly wouldn't go there for what she calls "a stupid bird"... I'll try the links you sent me and I'll see if any of normal the vets around here can help with budgies. Thank you!
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Hello Ivan, your budgie looks lovely in that picture you posted.
I have to travel thee hours of my avian vet and yes it is hard I also understand your age is a huge factor.
Many parents do not share the love and devotion we share with our birds, this is indeed a problem for many responsible bird owners of a younger age.
With not having an avian vet near by you need to help yourself as much as possible.
Being here is a great help, Taming can start whenever you choose, even a young chick if you are handling them are learning from the experience.
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