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My bird has always been confident of being out of the cage. He established one or two favorite perches and would fly between them. He was actually a bit cocky and sometimes he would fly really fast and I could tell ....looking for new and other perches for variety. The room is safe however yesterday he sort of crash-landed in his favorite fake plant. It's a fake plant on a handled basket and he loves to land on the handle. He misjudged his landing and landed in the faux plant. Then he got scared and erratically got out of the plant but he didn't have his bearings and he stumbled awkwardly to the floor. It wasn't a hard landing or anything, more disorienting and confusing for him. He returned to his cage immediately.

Today, he doesn't want to come out of his cage. I took him out of the cage, but he went back immediately. He wants no part of the world outside the cage today.

This isn't a bad thing per se, because I used to have up chase him a little bit to get him back to the cage. Not a lot. . . but a little flying from perch to perch before he would go back in.

Is he going to be permanently scared of the outside? Or does he just slowly need to rebuild his confidence? Objectively, he was quite cocky before. And that wasn't exactly ideal. He had one other sloppy landing on a stack of books. He was going misjudged and slipped off. He wasn't hurt, it just scared him. He learned right away after that to slow down when he wanted to land there. I was amazed at how quickly he adapted.

I am on the one hand glad that he knows how to go back to his cage. On the other hand I feel bad that he has lost his confidence although there might be some upsides to that where he will be more cautious.

He's happy today....chirping and singing and head bobbing. He just doesn't want to come out for exercise. That's a departure from his barking to come out.

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Old 09-21-2016, 07:08 PM
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It's nothing to worry about.
Let him decide if and when he wants to venture back out into the "big scary world" outside of his nice safe cage.
Don't try to make him come out of the cage as that will only scare him more. When you are there to supervise, just leave the cage door open so he has the option to choose.

You can put a perch on the outside of the cage, maybe a playgym on top of the cage or near it and hang a favorite toy (and maybe a treat) on it.
When he feels confident, he'll venture back out.
This may take a few days so don't worry if it doesn't happen right away.
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Ok, thanks Deborah. Thanks for the advice and I'll go slowly.
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I agree with Deborah's advice entirely, Give him time to get his confidence back encourage him to feel safe leave the door open talk and call him when you are near. I also have a perch on the outside of the cage near the door, having a couple more perches and places for him to play may help him to practise landings more often as well.
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Ok... that didn't last long at all. I think my little 6 month older teenager guy has an alpha streak in him. Who likes to test boundaries.

I would say his concern of coming out lasted about 3/4 of a day... tops.

Today, as I was placing some treats in his cage, in a swift and yet fairly sneaky maneuver, he snuck out. He typically doesn't does this, and knows that he has to step-up to come out of the cage. He flies off my finger when I take him out, but he normally doesn't try to break out.

Then, he was particularly extra disobedient by not going on a long perch to get back in the cage. He flew from bookcase to bookcase while I tried to retrieve him. He would hop on the perch but then fly off of it when he realized he was going to the cage.

I had a train to catch, to go out of state, and after a good amount of time hoping he would get tired of flying to and from all of his other perches. I had not other choice but to grab him. I barely made the train as it was (for my mother's birthday party.)

He didn't seem too traumatized by this, as he was getting tired and hot (he held his wings out to cool off)... and then he went to a perch and got comfortable and I'm pretty sure he was even chirping in a calm way.

Needless to say, I didn't want to have to resort to that and I don't want to in the future.

Moving forward I'm going to have to stop using the large door and only use the small door, since he displayed his renegade side.

And I am still confounded by people who can teach budgies to come when called, or have budgies who willfully return to their cage. My bird would stay out the entire day & that's not feasible. If he didn't stay out all day... he would stay out for 8 hours, and it's rare I would have that much time to watch him. Also, I don't think that seems appropriate. It seems too wild. He thinks of my bookcases as a tree and he wants to go sit in his "trees."

I'm going to have to problem solve this one and it's going to take lots of time I know.
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here's a link to a somewhat humorous video today of my bird trying to get me to let him out of the cage. he made it very clear what his intentions were. ( And i had already let him out for a bit today. He got some good flight time in. )

i like how he was staring me down.

unfortunately on this particular day, i didn't have an extra 2 to 3 hours for him .... to monitor him and try to patiently get him back in his cage.

he likes his cage, I just think he might think the bookcases and the rest of the room are an extension of his cage.

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Awh he is an absolute sweetheart. Holding his wings out can be a sign of being hot but it also can be a sign of being stressed. Please be careful in different situations and try to assess which it could be. In the situation he was in it quite possibly could of been a combination of both.
What he is displaying is normal, funnily enough I had this problem with my birds at the start but they learned the door to their cage would be open and the actually taught themselves to go back. I very rarely have to chase my birds back to the cage.
If I do I say , Bed time and they do fly back.
My other budgie I hold his favourite toy with a bell and he comes to my hand , I then calmly walk to his cage and place him and his toy in the cage.
It takes time and patience to train a budgie work on step up every day use a treat, millet, I use a toy. all birds are different.
If you do need to catch him in the future use a small net, or cloth not your hand as this reinforces the fear of your hand being a danger.
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Awh he is an absolute sweetheart. Holding his wings out can be a sign of being hot but it also can be a sign of being stressed. Please be careful in different situations and try to assess which it could be. In the situation he was in it quite possibly could of been a combination of both.
What he is displaying is normal, funnily enough I had this problem with my birds at the start but they learned the door to their cage would be open and the actually taught themselves to go back. I very rarely have to chase my birds back to the cage.
If I do I say , Bed time and they do fly back.
My other budgie I hold his favourite toy with a bell and he comes to my hand , I then calmly walk to his cage and place him and his toy in the cage.
It takes time and patience to train a budgie work on step up every day use a treat, millet, I use a toy. all birds are different.
If you do need to catch him in the future use a small net, or cloth not your hand as this reinforces the fear of your hand being a danger.
Thanks Cathy for the feedback and advice. He really is a great bird... super sweet and always entertaining & very smart. Just adorable.

You're right... he might have been stressed a bit holding his wings out... but also I think a bit overheated as he does that when he has been flying too much. But you're right, probably some stress in there as well.

That's good advice re. a net, and I'm going to look to purchase one as it makes sense to have one on hand just in case of emergency.

We've made some great progress. I've been working with him to fly to me while I'm holding some millet and he can do it at short distances, but not as well on farther distances. Will keep working with him.

What I noticed is that he is not comfortable nor that skilled at flying at lower altitudes. I ended up covering his two favorite high perches (the bookcases on the opposites ends of the room).... I covered both areas with gauzy scarves that threw him off in terms of landing in either spot. He doesn't anymore.

What this forced him to do was to learn how to land on the top of his cage. And I give him millet every time he does.

So now, instead of flying back and forth between the two highest points in the room, he will now fly in a circle around the room and always land back at his cage. This is progress, and significantly more preferable for when he is out for exercising.

I'm very happy that I made the two bookcases unappealing for him to land on, so that he now uses his cage more and more appropriately.

As well... I was calling him today from his cage, and he genuinely tried to come to me..... although he didn't make it too far and returned to his cage.

I admire though that he tried to do and attempted to come when called. Very cute.
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I should also add that he likes to now sit on top of his cage and I'm more comfortable to leave the door open and let him come and go as he pleases. He also loves to listen to youtube videos of other birds... especially canaries.... and he will land on my smartphone when I'm playing them.
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That's wonderful It sounds like he's making some great progress

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