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8 weeks ago, I found a budgie while waiting at the bus stop. I caught her and brought her home. Put up ads, posters, registered her with the city pond. Nothing.

So we (my 10yr old and I) kept her. The entire time we were looking for owners, we kept saying "What a sweetie she is! Listen to her sing, how sweet!" So we named her Sweetie.

She's a great little girl, but she's VERY afraid of people. I think I was only able to catch her because she was overheated, underweight and exhausted.

3 weeks ago, I had a neighbour who had a bird he did not want, we thought it would be a good idea to introduce him to Sweetie. Perhaps they could be together. Nope. He spent a week in a cage side by side to her, screaming his fool head off. Not just chatting but full on ACK ACK ACK ACK. Day and night.
She was less than thrilled with him (I was with her on that!).
Despite this, I thought he might calm down once they were together (afterall, sometimes they scream because they are little brats and aren't getting their way lol).
As soon as I put him in, he cornered her and full on attacked her. There was blood.

So, little Ramsay went back (yea, ironically he was named after the GOT character and had much the same personality as his namesake).

Now, I've found a breeder who has hand-tamed baby parakeets, bourke's and budgies.

I'm hesitant to give this another go, however since Ramsay has left I noticed Sweetie is not her usual chipper self. She's VERY quiet, rarely sings, doesn't bob her head or dance much anymore. I wonder if she's lonely.

I bought her a flight cage( 31"L x 20.5"W x 53"H), so size isn't an issue in this decision, I just want her to be happy.

Also, her cage is bare. I picked up a basic toy set from the pet store and I ordered a bunch of toys but I'm waiting for them to arrive, it it may take a while. I did order a lot of fun things for her though; rope perch, beaded swing, popcycle stick toy, paper toys, ladder, coconut shell hammock, some bells, plastic chains with trinkets, hanging mineral rocks with bells, strings of wicker balls, a hanging cozy, a branch perch, a small flat wooden surface, a concrete perch.

Sorry this is so long, just wanted to put all the details there... So should I get a bird (budgie) from the breeder for her?
Any other suggestions to bring her back to her loud chattering self that she was before Ramsay?


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Old 10-15-2016, 07:25 PM
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If you do choose to get a friend for Sweetie, you will need to be sure you quarantine it.

Quarantine means housing your new bird in a different cage in a different room as far away as possible from the room where your current bird(s) are housed for a period of 30-45 days.
Budgies mask symptoms when they are ill. Symptoms may not show up for over two weeks.
Often you will not even realize your bird is not well. Many budgie illnesses are airborne which is why you need to quarantine your new bird in a completely different room.

It is also a good idea to always take a new budgie in to see an Avian Vet for a "well-birdie" check-up. This allows you to develop a good relationship with the vet and the vet can establish a baseline for your bird in case of any future illnesses or injuries.

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Putting Ramsey directly into the cage with Sweetie wasn't the best way to introduce the two birds. Doing so in neutral territory is always best.

You shouldn't use a coconut shell hammock in a cage with a female budgie as she may view it as a nesting site.
Additionally, the "hanging cozy" is not recommended as birds can get their toenails stuck in the fabric and seriously injure themselves.
I would suggest you return those two items to the pet supply when you receive them.

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How much time are you spending with Sweetie each day on a regular and consistent basis? She may simply need time to readjust after the trauma of being attacked by Ramsey.

Also, you need to keep in mind that now that she has been attacked, there is no guarantee she will not be aggressive toward a new budgie friend. If you get another budgie, you need to be willing to house it in a separate cage on a permanent basis if Sweetie and the new bird do not get along.

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If you do choose to get a friend for Sweetie, you will need to be sure you quarantine it.

Quarantine means housing your new bird in a different cage in a different room as far away as possible from the room where your current bird(s) are housed for a period of 30-45 days.
Budgies mask symptoms when they are ill. Symptoms may not show up for over two weeks.
Often you will not even realize your bird is not well. Many budgie illnesses are airborne which is why you need to quarantine your new bird in a completely different room.
Hmm...Yes, it seems I made a mistake there. I put their cages side by side for a week, not very good if there is an airborne illness now that I think of it. This is good info for the future, thank you.

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Putting Ramsey directly into the cage with Sweetie wasn't the best way to introduce the two birds. Doing so in neutral territory is always best.
What are some examples of neutral territory? Outside of both cages or a 3rd cage completely?

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You shouldn't use a coconut shell hammock in a cage with a female budgie as she may view it as a nesting site.
Additionally, the "hanging cozy" is not recommended as birds can get their toenails stuck in the fabric and seriously injure themselves.
I would suggest you return those two items to the pet supply when you receive them.

https://talkbudgies.com/housing-budgi...reat-cage.html
Oh boy! That's good to know, I will send those back as soon as they arrive, thank you! I just wanted a variety of different things for her to sit/stand on so she can be comfortable.
That link is great, thank you. I did order a lot of things on it already, and I got a few more ideas

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How much time are you spending with Sweetie each day on a regular and consistent basis? She may simply need time to readjust after the trauma of being attacked by Ramsey.

Also, you need to keep in mind that now that she has been attacked, there is no guarantee she will not be aggressive toward a new budgie friend. If you get another budgie, you need to be willing to house it in a separate cage on a permanent basis if Sweetie and the new bird do not get along.
Sweetie, although is a cute little girl, is not super fond of people. So how much time human interaction she gets could depend on your definition of interaction tbh.
She sings to me, and I talk/whistle/sing to her. If I ignore her, she scolds me until I answer back. If I talk to her, she chirps back. She likes when you come up to her cage and talk to her as well.
However, that's as far as her desire for human interaction goes. She is very scared of you touching her and will viciously bite when you do. She does not like hands in her cage and will panic and fly about into things if I even rest my hand still on the cage door.
Coming out of the cage is a no-go. She will not do it. I've left the cage door open with the food on top, she climbed to the top, hung upside down and smacked the dish to spill the seed out and just ate it off the bottom of her cage lol.
I've taken her out and she flew directly back in and sat inside scolding me for a solid 5 mins before muttering to herself for another 5 mins.
She likes the company, but that's it-which is why I thought getting her a bird friend would be a good idea.

Perhaps I should wait another month, I'm just not sure what would make her happiest, I hate to think of her lonely.
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Not all budgies like to be touched which is fine.
I've had many that prefer to be inside their cage and "interact" with humans only through the cage bars.

Since Sweetie was a stray and we have no way of knowing what her life was like prior to being given a safe and loving home with you, it really isn't surprising she's afraid.

You can work on building her trust by sitting next to her cage for 10-15 minutes 3 or 4 times a day while you sing, read, whistle and talk to her.

After about a week of this, try resting your hand on the side of the cage during the trust-building sessions.
Move slowly and deliberately and talk to her in a calming and reassuring voice. If she gets used to your hand on the outside of her cage, she won't be as terrified when you need to change her food and water or rearrange items in her cage.

If she is active and chirping rather than just sitting quietly and seeming despondent, she may not need another bird as a friend. I think giving her a few more weeks before making that decision would be a good idea.

If you do choose to get another budgie:

After quarantine and then about a week of cages side by side, you could allow a new budgie friend to have out-of-cage time to see how it and Sweetie interact with one another when the new bird lands on her cage. Leave Sweetie inside her cage with her door closed.

"Neutral" territory could be achieved in Sweetie's case by completely rearranging everything in her cage and moving it to a different area in the room or house.

I'd have two or three sessions like that and if they go well, then simply open Sweetie's cage door to see if the new bird is interested in going into her cage on its own to get acquainted.
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I love Sweetie!!! She's hysterical. As you read through the stickies on here, you will likely change how you do things some. A general guideline is to not force a budgie to do anything...unless you must for health/safety reasons.

I plunged headlong into fostering budgies for a local rescue about five months ago with almost no prior experience with birds and I have learned a huge amount from the guidance of the rescue, the birds themselves, and here on talkbudgies. I can close to promise that with patience she will become much more comfortable around you, though not necessarily hand tame.

When Sweetie is ready to come out of her cage (and you are ready to deal with getting her back in!), just leave the cage open with a perch nearby so that it's easy for her to pop out when she wants to.

If you do get another bird in hopes that they'll be buddies, you could also get another female bird. (Actually, are you sure she's a she?? Perhaps post pictures in the gender thread?) There are sometimes pretty clear personality differences and you might be able to choose one who is a good match for Sweetie.

Great stories. I'm so happy you found her and rescued her.
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Hi there and to the forums!

I'm glad to hear that Sweetie was rescued by you, I'm sure she's much happier now.

After the incident with Ramsey, I agree with the advice offered by FaeryBee. She definitely seems traumatized, so I would work first on getting her more comfortable with human interaction with the methods detailed by FaeryBee. After that, if you'd still like to get her a friend, I would look for a calm tempered male that won't make her feel intimidated, and introducing them slowly after quarantine is the way to go

Either way, be sure to keep us posted on how things go with Sweetie!

Meanwhile, be sure to read through the links provided to ensure you're up to date on the best of budgie care practices! If you have any questions afterwards, please be sure to ask--we'd love to help.

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