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Old 10-25-2016, 02:35 AM
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An interesting concept. Cage goes inside, a heater hangs on the cage, a thermostat controls the temperature. Has holes on all sides for air to get in.

It's designed for the exact Hoei cage Saul sleeps in, so it would be a good match ...

In theory it would efficiently warm the cage, both night and day. The problem is the cost. 40,000 isn't cheap! In the long run it would probably pay for itself in three years, as for about three months I have an oil filled radiater on for 24 hours a day. (The price is just for the box.)

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Old 10-25-2016, 04:47 AM
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Just by reading your description, if I were you, I would not get it.
Simple layers of blanket (that lets air flow through) can just be covered over the cage if needed and during the winter and there are also so many other ways to keep your bird warm without spending too much.
I'd rather cover the cage with a few blankets than having to buy something where I'd put the cage and the bird inside like a trapped-confined looking container with a few air holes.
There are so many things that could go wrong.
What if the temperature heats up the inside of the cage too much?
What happens if it gets too cold or too hot?
What happens if the heater/thermostat malfunctions?
What happens if you're away or asleep and something happens to the temperature.
Do you know the material used for the heater and what kind of air is released?
What happens if there's not much breathable space? Yes, although there are air holes, (small ones compared to fresh and healthy air all around) the bird will be breathing in very warm air, unnatural and filtered air.. Just imagine being in a cage and then suddenly getting placed inside another big container with only a few air holes, breathing in the same, unnatural and warm/unhealthy air all day or just a few hours.
The bird could potentially develop breathing/air problems, can overheat, can't breathe properly or the lack of fresh air or any other health problems that you wouldn't normally get when you just have a cage outside.
The container can easily affect the breathing of the bird, and it will most definitely make the bird feel confined and possibly stressed out.
Rather than spending more money and since you say that the price is a problem, I'd stick with an easier, quicker and cheaper method which is to get a few blankets/bird safe heat warmers. You could if you wanted, get a hand warmer and place it nearby outside the cage where the bird cannot reach to it.

EDIT: I've looked further closely in the photos on the website and it seems like you can remove the front bit of the container? But even so, I wouldn't necessarily get it. Just simple blankets will do, unless, that's my opinion. Let's see what the others say.

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It is certainly not something I would recommend or consider using with my budgies.
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One thing comes to mind is carbon monoxide. Some heaters give off the gas and in such an enclosed area it could kill the bird. My browser won't translate the page so I am not certain if this is using some special heating technology that renders this concern invalid.

I don't know about your country but carbon monoxide is a danger here especially in houses with attached garages. You are supposed to have alarms in the house since the gas is undetectable by humans without it. An entire family died from carbon monoxide poisoning in my neighborhood so I take the threat very seriously.
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It's just the box. You can use any heater you like, so I don't think the heater would pose any more problems than any other cage heater.

I was considering this thing's usefulness in the daytime, when there wouldn't be blankets on his cage > A toasty little corner of the room, while the rest of the apartment stays unheated.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:39 PM
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Ugh...I can't. No.

It may seem like a good idea, but there are too many potential risks with electrical components like this, including perch warmers. Now, incubators are similar to this so you might think it is just a glorified incubator, which it could be used for that, or sick chamber.

Heated perches are another big fad and I don't use it. Maybe someone here does or has, but you can't regulate them and like all electrical plug in components, so much can go wrong and then it is too late. You also shouldn't leave heaters or elements unattended and as a safety, all should have automatic shutoffs.

My recommendation is that if your apartment is that cold that you try to remedy the apartment issues first like window and door frame seals, caulking around windows and doors, insulation. Not sure what country you are in or your circumstances, but get the owners to help better heat your apartment. If you have electricity, which obviously you must if you are considering this contraption, then get yourself a decent plug in heater and small circulating fan to circulate the heat into the air. Having both will work wonders in circulating heat but won't help with heat loss if your apartment has issues.

Blanket the cage, keep it away from drafty windows, doors or areas including circulating fans and heaters. When heating an apartment, monitor humidity and use a warm air humidifier during winter months. Too high or too low humidity and dryness can create health problems for humans and birdies. Always keep humidifiers away from birds, however, and have it in an area that it can also circulate into the air.

Although I have heard no horror stories yet concerning heated perches, if you decide to get one, only have it on when home and supervised. Don't buy cheap, get the best.

But like FaeryBee and others have mentioned here, I wouldn't use this heated cage, nor a heated perch, but that is based on personal preference and also, as someone who worked in the trades, it is very risky to concentrate heat in a small area with an animal, and electrical is not 100% safe. Anything can go wrong.

I would opt for problem resolution and maintain your heat in the apartment by having the owner fix related structural and weather proofing issues. If this isn't possible, then you need to take initiative to do some of that for yourself. If you are unsure of how to do that, private message me, but I may not get back to you for a few days as I am a bit busy at the moment.
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One thing comes to mind is carbon monoxide. Some heaters give off the gas and in such an enclosed area it could kill the bird. My browser won't translate the page so I am not certain if this is using some special heating technology that renders this concern invalid.

I don't know about your country but carbon monoxide is a danger here especially in houses with attached garages. You are supposed to have alarms in the house since the gas is undetectable by humans without it. An entire family died from carbon monoxide poisoning in my neighborhood so I take the threat very seriously.
Although a good point, this is only used with gas. For all intents and purposes never, ever use propane or alternative gas related Portable Heaters indoors. PERIOD.

I believe snoogly does not have gas heat and therefore a carbon monoxide detector is not necessary.
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I agree with all the great advice given above

In my opinion, the risks are far too great and I wouldn't use it for any animal. Even aquarium heaters make me nervous because when I had my tank, the heater malfunctioned one day and I came home to boiling water and deceased fish. If the heater enclosed in the box malfunctions, the bird could easily suffocate and become overheated

There are definitely better options to keep your little ones warm and toasty, without them turning into toast
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What sort of temperatures do you get inside? Budgies are very hardy temperature wise and live quite happily in outdoor aviaries where there are regular frosts. So long as they are not in the wind they do not seem bothered by low temperatures, they have a natural system for regulating themselves after all.
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In the end, I did go with the box. I talked about it with the avian vet, and she showed me their hospital room, which uses similar boxes for keeping birds warm.

It's been working well, with the small 30w cage heater keeping the inside of the box 5c warmer than the unheated room.

The thermostat and 'baby monitor' app on the old iPhone help keep him safe. The box is far from the window, and doesn't get hit by direct sunlight.

Anyway, ... Here is his kingdom.

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