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Old 11-14-2016, 12:33 AM
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Hi everyone. First time poster here but I've been following this forum for quite some time now.

Got a quick question about our budgie - Trix.

We got her* about 3 months ago when she was (apparently) 8-10 weeks old and it appears that she's going through her first serious molt. No problem - I've done a lot of reading up on Budgie molts and I feel like we're ready for this.

Thing is, I've started to notice that her keratin sheaths are coming off with some feathers attached.



As I understand it, this means that the sheath is either coming off early or the feather hasn't developed properly??

Additionally, when we got her we were told that her flight feathers had been clipped. Over the past couple of weeks I've noticed 2 flight feathers growing (1 under each wing) but just yesterday Trix was hopping about on the floor and after one particular large hop one of her flight feathers fell right off.



There was a tiny bit of reddish goo at the base of the sheath when I first inspected it and I've had a look under Trix's wing (as much as she would let me, she still hates being touched) and I don't see any blood or anything. As an aside, this all happened yesterday and Trix seems completely unperturbed by her loss.

My question is, does any of this matter or should I be concerned? I was told by a pet store owner that this sort of stuff is normal for young Budgies but having been on the receiving end of bad Pet Store advice in the past (we also have a Canary and a bunch of fish) I have very quickly learned not to trust them!

Any advice would be appreciated and apologies for the length of the post!!!

*we actually don't know if Trix is a he or a she. Her nose is still pink but my wife has taken to calling Trix a she because 'she' is extremely bossy and loves to boss us, and our Canary (Puff), around all the time!

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Hi,
I'm very new to budgies too so not much help. I'm sure the experts will pick up your post very soon. In the meantime, you could look through a search on this site of 'French moult' (wide range of severity) and see if your observations seem to match.
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Hello and welcome, I could not open your picture at this point in time sorry. If this was my budgie I would be taking it to an Avian vet for a thorough examination. From the sounds of what you have described the moult does not sound normal. The flight feathers usually moult slowly and not partially grown. The fact the feather has "red gooey stuff" should be addressed also. feed her some egg and biscuit mix to help encourage strong feather growth. is she losing the small downy feathers?
If she does have French Molt , it will alter the way she is treated but she can still lead a relatively happy life.
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Thanks for the responses!

I have considered French Moult but obviously without an expert it's hard to tell. Unfortunately the nearest Avian Vet to us is over 2 hours away. I have been meaning to get her in for a checkup but it's obviously a bit of a journey and hard to schedule with work. I have tried to book her in to see a standard Vet but the two that are near us have both said that it would be better if we see an Avian Vet and have practically refused to see her.

Yes, she is losing her downy feathers too. A tonne of them at the moment (which is what led me to believe she is going through her first serious moult) and she has a whole bunch of pin feathers coming through on her head and face. Honestly, aside from the flight feather falling out everything else has seemed normal. She still has all of her tail feathers (as far as I can tell) and there isn't any part of her body that's missing feathers or that looks patchy.

How long should it take for flight feathers to start growing after they are clipped? I have read it can take anywhere from months to a full year and without taking her to a Vet I guess this is the only way I can tell if she has some form of French moult?

We've been trying to get her to try new foods (especially protein) but she is a very fussy eater and we have only just gotten her to start nibbling on Kale and Carrots. It's an extremely slow process - completely different to our Canary who basically eats anything we put in front of him.

If anyone else has any advice or thoughts I would love to hear them! Trix is our first budgie so she holds a particularly special place in our hearts!!
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Clipped feathers will moult out normally and in about 4 weeks time, new flight feathers will be grown (under normal circumstances).
With more time and as you continue to observe your budgie's moulting pattern you will be able to reach a conclusion.
It would also be good to have confirmation from an avian vet specialist, because if your budgie has French moult and depending on the severity of the case, the avian vet will be able to better advise you when it comes to implementing a special diet specifically prepared to cater to all of your budgie's needs.

The information on this link may be of use: https://talkbudgies.com/articles-budg...n-control.html
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Hi there and to the forums!

I agree that the feathers coming off as they're being grown in could be a sign of french moult. Photos would help for sure, if you're able to post some from Photobucket or the like.

It could be normal, however, depending on how the feathers are falling out.

If "she" has a smooth, pearly, pink nose, then "she" is actually a he! Behaviour tends to not be the best identifier of gender, as all budgies can have different personalities.

Meanwhile, be sure to read through the forums as there are lots of good links here that may help you with your little Trix. Any time a budgie looses feathers, whether through a moult or French Moult, a high protein diet is great for helping their feathers grow in as strong as possible. Mashed hardboiled egg, as mentioned by Pretty Boy, will help her with that, if she'll eat some. If not, flax seeds are a good alternative, and they are more familiar to her in terms of shape and size

I hope everything turns out well for your little one! Please be sure you keep us posted on how Trix is doing

If you have any questions after reading through things, be sure to ask as we'd love to help!

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Thanks everyone for all of your responses - they have been immensely helpful!!

I've tried to upload a few photos to Photobucket so let's see if this works.

I've see 3 of these in total in the last couple of weeks. I'm not sure if the feathers are falling out prematurely or what might be going on.

This is the flight feather that I saw drop out a few days ago when Trix was hopping around. My wife thinks that she may have knocked himself against his cage when he was trying to fly and that's why it was loose but that's just a theory.

This one I took this morning. You can see that on the right side there is just 1 sad little flight feather poking out and on the left there is obviously none left. Trix hates the camera so she's trying to play it cool and pretend I'm not there!

And thanks StarlingWings for that stuff about boys having smooth pearly pink noses! I had no idea that sometimes they stayed pink and always just assumed it would one day turn blue or brown. You can tell just from this post that I still have a few issues sticking to just one gender for Trix!!!
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I'm not seeing anything abnormal about the fallen feathers in the pictures.
The one on the first link appears to have been clipped short. The feather was not a new one, nor was it growing.
The same goes for the fallen feather on the second pic.
This looks very much like a normal moult. On the last picture, your budgie's overall feather condition seems to be good.
Budgies can moult in sections and it's possible that yours is currently in the process of moulting the flight feathers.
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I agree with Aluz, your little one's feathers look to be in great condition It appears that these feathers really are normal from a routine moult. The brownish goo you may see could be some dried blood inside the sheath; after all, when the feather was growing, it had a blood supply from the body that was cut off after it had finished growing.

You're right about the cere either turning blue in males or brown in females! There's just a few exceptions, though--males which are of the albino, lutino, recessive pied, or dark eyed clear mutations keep their pearly pink ceres their whole life. Most baby boy budgies grow out of them, but these mutations cause the normal blue colour to never appear.

Since you say that Trix really does have a pink cere, and I can see is of a recessive pied mutation, I think you may have a little boy there! If you can post a clear, in-focus photo of the cere, we'll be able to confirm that for you
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Thank you so much!! You've helped set my mind at ease over this!! I am still going to try and get Trix in for a checkup at the Avian Vet as soon as possible though, seeing as we haven't done that since we got her.

StarlingWings, I don't have any pics on me right now but I will take one tonight when I get home from work and post it. Am very curious to see if you think Trix is a boy - we have been waiting and waiting and waiting for his nose to start changing colour and nothing yet so you might be onto something!
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