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Old 11-16-2016, 11:55 PM
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My parakeet Davey lived happily with two females until Trixie died at a very old age and sadly Darla died after developing a tumor and didn't live to make it to the second vet follow-up.

Not wanting Davey to be alone, sad and grieving, I didn't wait long before getting two new females: Lucy and Sally. Davey loves Lucy and Lucy loves Davey but they ignore poor Sally who always sits alone and never pairs up with one of the other two. At least Sally has started to stand up for herself and not have to wait to eat last all the time.

It's not like it's severe fighting just two ignoring and picking on one.

I have a very spacious cage for them so they have plenty of room per bird. What would happen if I add another male to the mix? I would add another feeding dish to eliminate food competition. Maybe a new male would love Sally the way Davey loves Lucy? Please advise.

I also have Cockatiels in another large cage so I do not have room for more cages. Thanks!

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Old 11-17-2016, 03:34 AM
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Maybe a new male WOULD love Sally the way Davey loves Lucy, but...
.... Maybe Sally wouldn't like the new male
.... Maybe Lucy would decide she prefers the new male
.... Maybe the new male would love Lucy and you'd still have Sally ignored and Davey & the new male fighting. If you have no space for a new cage, you could end up with 2 birds (Sally & new male) needing rehoming.

I can understand why you bought the two after Davey and your late girls got along well, but don't rush out and buy another bird, I'm sure the more experienced members will be along soon to suggest the best course of action.

Do you have another cage (quarantine) that you can house Sally in the meantime?
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:12 AM
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Hi, TONIMAC.

Seems like you have a bit of a dilemma on your hands. JRS mentions a complicated scenario should you wish to introduce a male to the fold and such scenarios are possible. I know that when Luna was still alive, she wanted nothing to do with the boys. Period. She liked her independence, and although she crushed on Zucchini, he was a busy budgie paired with my other now deceased female, Nutmeg. Jasper, my other male, loved Luna and wanted her attention, but nope. So, I often felt Jasper was a lonely boy in my flock of six budgies. Now, without the two females, Jasper and Zucchi (males) seemed to have pair bonded as buddies. Something that I thought would never happen but it did. It took some time though as they were both mourning the loss of their loves.

I myself am sitting on the fence deciding whether or not to adopt two females for Jasper and Zucchi. I am playing out all sorts of scenarios in my head as to what might happen. My biggest fear is that they just fight with each other or make each other miserable and refuse pair bonding. Which isn't entirely a bad thing, just the fighting is a concern. But when budgies fight, it is usually a brief little encounter and on to the next thing. When they absolutely don't want anything to do with each other and do not get along and they harass each other, than they have to be separated.

In this case, you have plenty of time to make that decision, and in the meantime, maybe give Sally some more one on one time getting to know each other. Make her feel just as special as the other birdies and shower her with a bit of attention.

They say it is usually better, and in the case of your flock, to maybe introduce another female. The same sort of scenarios may happen and a female may try to get the attention of Davey or vice versa, 'cause you know, some budgies get around, but Davey's primary focus is on Lucy, so he won't stray too far. The females may have some spats here and there, but they are more inclined to do so because they are a bit more demanding. The boys usually just happily go along with what the gals do -- that's the way it should be hahaaaaa

But seriously, I don't think it is at all problematic to introduce a male or female. In such a small flock, I think eventually they will get used to each other. It would be ideal, however, to have a separate cage including in house outside cage time. That way, they are not confined to just the cages and have to mingle in other places, together, like bath time or wet greens and treat time. Know what I mean?
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What you are experiencing is nothing unusual.
Even though you had good luck in the past housing three budgies in one cage, it's important to remember that each budgie has a unique personality just like people.

Hopefully you quarantined the two new budgies away from Davey when you brought them home?

Quarantine means housing your new bird in a different cage in a different room as far away as possible from the room where your current bird(s) are housed for a period of 30-45 days.
Budgies mask symptoms when they are ill. Symptoms may not show up for over two weeks.
Often you will not even realize your bird is not well. Many budgie illnesses are airborne which is why you need to quarantine your new bird in a completely different room.

It is also a good idea to always take a new budgie in to see an Avian Vet for a "well-birdie" check-up. This allows you to develop a good relationship with the vet and the vet can establish a baseline for your bird in case of any future illnesses or injuries.

For Sally's health and emotional well-being, you need to separate her into a different cage from Davey and Lucy.
It is not fair to her to have her housed in a cage where she is being alternately ignored and picked-on.

If you want to try getting a fourth bird, it will need to be quarantined as directed about before introducing it to Sally gradually and in neutral territory.

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Hi, to the forum! As was mentioned above, any of the unwanted situations "can" happen if you introduced a new male or female, and there is really no way to predict whether or not they will.

I know you say you don't have room for more cages, but you'd need a quarantine cage set up in a different area regardless, if you bring home another bird. Are you sure you can't fit another cage for Sally somewhere? Even if you rearranged the room a little? That really is best for Sally's wellbeing at this point. Even a large cage for one budgie doesn't have such a huge footprint as to take up a ton of space in even the smallest of homes.

Let us know what you decide .
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You've been given great advice by the others.

From the fact you said you don't have room for another cage, I'm going to guess you didn't quarantine your two new girls when you got them and introduced them straight away. I could be wrong, but if you did, then you already have a spare cage.

I agree that poor Sally needs to be removed from the cage she is sharing with the others- not matter how big it is, and you can keep her happily in another cage for the time being.

I think it's best you let your birds settle with this move and see how they get on. Sally doesn't have to be in a different room, just have her own space. She may enjoy and prefer being in her cage by herself in which case, bringing another new budgie into the mix would likely upset her.
I would not rush into this decision and really give it some time. Some budgies are happy alone and she has the other birds to chat with and you can give them out of cage time together if they are okay outside of the cage.

If Sally really does seem to miss a same species friend, then I'd carefully consider getting a friend for her. I have bought birds in order to pair them with a budge I already have and it's about getting to know the personality of the bird and what they seem to like. In this case, you don't know what sort of friend Sally would like, but you know the personality of Davey and Lucy didn't suit her well, so I would seek a budgie that seems different in personality to them.
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A better idea would be if you only brought 1 bird home for Davey. That is no guarantee either, but does save a third bird for getting ignored the way the 2nd female is now. If someone in your area wants the 3rd bird, they may have a more friendly bird for her companion. Sad, but this also happens with people, often for no real reason.
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If Sally really does seem to miss a same species friend, then I'd carefully consider getting a friend for her. I have bought birds in order to pair them with a budge I already have and it's about getting to know the personality of the bird and what they seem to like. In this case, you don't know what sort of friend Sally would like, but you know the personality of Davey and Lucy didn't suit her well, so I would seek a budgie that seems different in personality to them.
When I needed to choose a new friend for Mink, I went to look at budgies at several different places (bird stores with a responsible breeder), and I didn't make a decision right away. I studied their interactions with the other budgies at the store, and chose one who seemed to have similar personality characteristics as my girl. By staying there and watching for some time, you can get a sense of one's personality. Some are dominant and aggressive, some more shy, some more friendly and easy going, etc. Of course it's not a 100% foolproof method of choosing the perfect mate, but it beats just doing it blindly.
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Hi there and to the forums!

I agree with the advice offered above as well The most important priority is to separate little Sally. The bullying and neglect she experiences from the other two isn't good for her mentally, emotionally, or physically.

Meanwhile, be sure to look through the links provided above as they will keep you posted on the very best of budgie care practices! If you have any questions afterwards, please be sure to ask as we'd love to help!

Hope to see you around, and be sure to keep us posted on how they are doing!

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