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Old 12-02-2016, 06:49 AM
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Hi there,

Can anyone with 3 budgies advise please.
As you can see from my photos i have 3 young budgies. I am not sure of the definite sex of 2 of them, and the ages range from 8-12 weeks.

I had the green and blue one together at the same time from the same flock. All was harmonious, feeding each other, preening each other and generally loving each other.

Not long after i purchased the white one from a different breeder, i kept him (as i was told) in a separate cage by each other. All seemed well, they sang and talked to each other and were curious through the cage, so yesterday i decided to put the white one in :-(

It didn't go as planned, and i was amazed to see that my first two were fighting, and the new white one didn't want to get involved, he avoided them and just squawked when they went over. This continued for a day, things got worse and the blue and green one were pinning each other to the floor! :-(

So i took the white one back out as he seemed to be the cause of it, he now seems happy in his own pad again, but is trying to sing and talk to the other 2.

But all is still not well with my original 2. They have fell out, they won't go near each other and just squawk when they pass one another. I do not understand how to correct this. I have gone from having harmonious budgies to 3 disgruntled ones.

I am not sure of the sexes yet as they are to young to say for 100%. I have included photos, i am desperate for some advice, i am gutted and so upset that the balance has been tipped and that i won't get them friends again. I love them all so dearly, they are like more children, but it's worrying me now. They aren't fighting, just the odd peck, but they are making so many angry noises :-(

Please advise, from Susan.

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Kito ( green/yellow )
Lacey ( blue)
Coconut (white )
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:54 AM
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I'm so sorry that you're going through this and I hope one of our experts can find you a good answer soon. I'm sending good luck to you


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Old 12-02-2016, 07:43 AM
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Welcome to the forums! You have certainly come to the right place as you will find all you need to know on budgie care here.
The information on the several articles and sticky threads at the top of each section of the forums will be extremely useful as you become more familiar with the species.

When bringing home a new bird, before introducing it to the flock it's important to follow quarantine procedures in order to prevent a potential illness carried by the new bird to be spread into the rest of the flock: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...necessary.html

Before adding a new bird into the mix, the owner must be aware that the dynamics are bound to change and things may not work well.
This is exactly why it's not advisable for fairly new pet bird owners to take too deep of a plunge by acquiring a larger number of birds in a very short amount of time without first having a good understanding of the current birds' personalities. This will lead to an inability or difficulty in dealing with overwhelming situations due to the lack of knowledge and experience with the species when it comes to handling the more difficult situations.

From the pictures you took I can tell you that your Kito is the youngest and she is a female. Lacey is older, and a male. By looking at him I'd say he is fresh from turning 5 months old.
Coconut I'm unable to identify the gender with accuracy because the lighting on the last photo isn't ideal and it's also a bit blurry.
If Coconut's cere has a pinkish/purplish colour then you have another male budgie there.

In case you don't know it's not advisable to have an odd number of budgies housed together because the chances of one of them to be left out are much higher. The fact that you have budgies of mixed genders will also add to the issue. When there is not a balance between genders, the chances for fights to happen are also much higher because as they first go into breeding condition the two males can fight for female's affection.
Please check the detailed info on this link: https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...en-flocks.html

What you have described between your two budgies that they have locked into fight at the cage's bottom is very serious and it would be best for them to be housed separately in order to prevent another another situation from escalating to that point.

You need to give all 3 of your budgies the time for them to cool off and settle. The rushed introduction of Coconut clearly didn't go well and after quarantine is followed it's important to go back to the very beginning, by having the cages close by for a couple of weeks at least and to allow your 3 budgies to have closely supervised out of cage time together in a neutral territory (away from cages).
The information on this link will be useful: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...o-budgies.html
Depending on how they behave and interact with each other, you can then have a better understanding on who gets along best with who and decide to let a given budgie have a buddy to share the cage with.
Still there will be one left solo in a cage and by giving him/her the added special attention and working on forming and maintaining a good bond, you will be able to have a perfectly happy and well adjusted budgie friend.
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:58 AM
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Here is coconut the white one,

Like is said, there was a few weeks delay in putting the white one in. The blue and green budgie bonded quickly as they were from the same flock,. after a few hours they were very happy together and barely had a row, it was only until the white one went in that it all started. Why was the white one not fighting? Why only my original happy pair, do you have any suggestions as to who to house with who.

My original pair are not fighting, just avoiding each other with the odd peck and chase around the cage.

I have added a pic of the white one, i do hope it attached ok.


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This latest photo confirms that Coconut is a male.
When there are situations of consistent bullying and heavy fighting, the procedure is to remove the instigator, the attacker budgie and house/him her solo on a different cage on a permanent basis.
In the case you have described, it's not clear to determine who the instigator was.
For overall safety reasons, it would be best for you to house all 3 of your budgies separately, to divide your time between them by working on establishing a bond with them. By doing so, you will be able to have a better idea on their temperaments/personalities.

Your Coconut was sadly caught in an unfortunate situation between Kito and Lacey. His mere presence led to an escalation of tempers that resulted in bad fighting. If Kito and Lacey were to shift their violence towards Coconut instead of each other, then things could have more easily ended in tragedy in a two against one situation.

Best of luck with everything and be sure to check the info at Taming and Bonding section of Talk Budgies.
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Old 12-02-2016, 09:00 AM
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The fight that the two budgies had--where they ended up locked together at the bottom of the cage--is very serious. I cannot explain the dynamics, but after that fight you really do need to separate them as aluz recommends.

Adding a budgie to another budgie's cage is generally not recommended. You either need to move and rearrange a cage enough that it seems different or use a completely different cage.

You can give them out of cage time together and they will sometimes choose to visit in each other's cages--that's very different from you placing a new budgie in an already occupied cage.

What are the dimensions of the cages you are using: height, width, and length? Could you please also attach photos of the full cages? It looks like the cage we are seeing has a rounded top and that reduces usable space. Not enough space will also increase the chances of squabbles and fighting.

It also looks like the cage is placed to maximize light and airiness. While those qualities are good, the budgies also need to feel protected. If they are out in the open, there are going to be more stressed.

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Old 12-02-2016, 09:03 AM
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I'm going through the same thing as you right now. Derick lost his Mrs and he was devastated so I bought 2 friends for him,(silly mistake) one was female and one male and it caused problems. Zuko got picked on , not vicious fighting but he was constantly getting wrong for sitting on swings, perches, or playing with toys , I was confused as to which one to remove so I chose the bullied one. I put him in his own cage yesterday right next to the other 2 and I'm waiting to see how it goes today. I'm too soft and hate to see him alone but at least he can still talk to the others and most importantly he can sit on his swing all day long or play with his toys whenever he want, whether he's happy with this I don't know.you have 3 Beautiful birds by the way.

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Hi there,

Believe me both cages are big enough, the one is 3ft long and is on a stand, and the other is just a bit smaller, that one is placed on a surface lower than the other cage, but i have bought a new stand and there is ample room for the 2 birds to actually fly in the cage, and as with the white one. I do not believe in starter cages so i chose wisely.

The actual fighting has stopped, all 3 birds have been quiet the last few hours, and the blue and the green one are sitting together again. Every half hour or so i am talking to the birds. especially the new one, but i actually wasn't expecting my original pair to fall out, as it seems my blue one favoured the new male over the lady ???

I spend so much time daily talking to them and generally hanging around, i do not work, so i can put in a great deal of time. I am reluctant to allow them out just yet as they are not hand tamed, that said, the green one got out yesterday and i had to coax her back in with a perch, but I'm not experienced enough to let them fly around and then distress them to get them back in.

I know i have broken trust with the blue one, he was eating out of my hand in the cage, but i understand that i have to give them time and start again.

My cages are on stands as i own cats, the blue and green budgie were used to seeing cats, but i keep them locked out whilst i am waiting for my second stand to come, we are always monitoring the cat situation as well.
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When budgies are kept on an unstable and potentially stressful environment and they feel threatened, their frame of mind will change to alert/defence mode and this can trigger an extreme reaction from them, in this case vicious fighting which happened when Coconut has "invaded" their territory.
The fact that Kito and Lacey have been sharing the same space with the cats even when closely supervised by you could still have contributed to this escalation on their tempers that led to the vicious fighting.
Budgies recognize cats as predators the same way that cats see them as prey.
It's their natural instinct.

For your situation, it would really be best for your budgies to stay in a cat free room.
For detailed information, you can follow the recommendations on this link: https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...irds-prey.html
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Susan, you've been offered great advice.

It is really important to try and get a harmonious flock again and following advice offered by aluz will certainly help you achieve that.
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