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(By the way i'm not sure where exactly to put this post)
So i've been thinking about possibly getting another budgie to keep Spike company. He seems insecure and lonely and scared most of the time because my other pair just gang up on him even if he's no where near their cage. Instead of buying from a petstore, I wanted to get a friend for him through a breeder, one that hand feeds their babies because i've read it's much easier to tame handfed budgies instead of being raised by their parents without any handfeeding.
I've tried looking online to find breeders but the main ones that pop up are either 6 hours or more drive away, or they don't breed budgies.
I live in Canada, british columbia so if anybody knows a breeder that is at the most an hour or two drive away, i'd be very thankful.

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Hi there,

This breeder was on the list of breeders in BC and breeds budgies!

Here's the Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Sweethea...=page_internal

Also, it's a myth that budgies must be hand fed to be tame. Budgies that are co-parented are best, because they are fed by their parents but are interacted with daily and thus grow up to be just as tame as hand fed birds but are overall more healthy because they got the chance to learn how to be a bird and got all the nurturing from Mum and Dad

Best of luck in finding a friend for Spike!
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Hey! I found a breeder and they breed English budgies. It might be a bit odd but I found out about her because she attends to competitions with her Show Budgies. But I first found a male who won first place and messaged him. He was the one who redirected me to another breeder because he was not in toronto. You might want to look into your area for budgie competitions and try finding breeders that way? Her name is Linda Haswell. You can message her and see if she knows someone in British Columbia
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I could not agree more with above comment that parent raised budgies are just as easy as hand raised chicks. Breeders, in order to break even , must be able to produce an abundance of chicks,to bulk sales to pet stores, usually net a very small profit margin.

It is very costly for breeders like Lindsey, cutelittlebirdies aviary, in Akron,Ohio, to hand raise and tame chicks. These birds are very expensive, but also very healthy, receiving top quality food and living conditions. I admire Lindseys dedication and the cost does not even meet the real cost in man hours to feed and clean her aviary.

Faerybee has a flock of Lindsey's wonderful budgies,that were in need of new homes, that are healthy and wonderful companion birds that also exhibit personality and budgie flock activity. Lindsey does ship via Delta Dash which does have shipping routes in Canada, as well as the US. These little budgies are wonderful to behold. However, they are rare because of the Love and work involved.

There are other breeders who show English budgies. These breeders work all season to produce a handful of Champions to compete in top exhibits and a few more are selected to be the breeding colony to produce future winners. There are hundreds of budgies left over that do not conform to show standard and are sold as rejects. These birds make great companion birds. The catch is you need to have a personal commitment to do the work of bonding instead of paying someone to do this in advance and still need to go through a period of bonding. There is no substitute for your whole hearted presence in the process.

Many budgies available in pet stores may have illness issues and emotional trauma problems because they are separated from their family structure too early in their growth cycles. This often results in unexpected misbehavior. That makes the new bonding process very hard. TB staff handle many panic messages from new owners. For the experience of adopting a bird or any other companion animal into a family to be successful everyone in the family needs to step up with loads of patience and love even when a new bird acts out like teenage humans responding to hormone changes that are natural part of maturation. This process takes about 2 years for a budgie and perhaps 10 years +- for human children. That is totally amazing to me to get the job done in only 2 years!

There are very few breeders who have the ability to produce perfectly sound offspring that will be perfect new members of a family. If you are considering adopting a companion bird or animal, please Read posts by Hollen (Leslie) and her son Alex and Bubbles. Even with all of the careful prep from breeder and Bubbles, and his new family, there was a period of adjustment and lots of LOVE and patience. Expect challenges. If you are not ready to go the full mile for the first 2 years, consider adopting one or two older budgies from from a bird rescue. Before you bring any budgie home spend many hours of research on diet, health and first aid, addressing training issues and the bonding process which is really tough for a tiny little bird being pulled from his family and flock. Family is critical for the survival of wild budgies in Australia. This carries over in to the lives of budgies purchased from breeders or pet stores. The fear and loss must be addressed by your budgies human family. There are breeders who go the extra mile to make the transition as smooth as possible as the several month process followed to bring Bubbles home to become Alex's special friend. I know this breeder personally and I am blessed to have seen his whole family work with their flock. There are a number of possible Transportation. issues There are more unique breeders all over North America but it may take a dedicated search to uncover these alternatives. Bubbles was raised by his parents and handled by the breeder to start to acclimate Bubbles for life with his new family. Remember we are asking a budgie to accept us into his world. Yes there are necessary house rules but that applies to humans as well as budgies.

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I was scrolling down to post and saw your post, Jo Ann. I couldn't have said it nearly that well! Thank you for thinking of our family. OP, Bubbles is our bird- he was raised by his mom and dad. It did take a little while to bond, and both the breeder and all our Talk Budgies friends helped us out with that. Now, Bubbles is so bonded with our family, and he is incredibly smart and healthy! It was totally worth it- love him to pieces. You sound like a thoughtful, patient budgie parent- you won't regret the time spent building trust with your healthy new friend!
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Thanks Julie and Leslie. We still have Bubbles' aunt here in our aviary, The very gentle nature seems to be a family characteristic. She is Stephen's special budgie, the way Apollo is for me. We both work with and handle all of the flock members, as we clip nails . reshape beaks, and give them their interim wellness check. We check weight and look for abnormal growths, check for parasites,check vent and condition of feathers. We tend to let me be the bad guy when we need to do a procedure. That way our budgies always have a human to look to for special loving when they are ill or need nails clipped.

Daily, I am reminded how important the flock bond as well as the human bond, are in the life of a budgie. Feather Family structure is so important to the self confidence of companion birds. It tells them it is OK to really be a bird. With Just under 20 birds we have opportunities to experiment with social dynamics. Just after Christmas. We released all of the budgies save, Teddy and Apollo who are in our special needs cage. It is clear that flock interaction is so important. We usually rotate a second pair into the special needs cage to keep Teddy and Apollo company. Because our flock is used to more than one or 2 budgies in an enclosure we have found that in order to keep Apollo and Teddy active, they need that second pair, usually Sunny Sky or his younger brother and their special hens. Except for illness or breeding we try to watch and place flock buddies in the same flight or the flight adjoining it. The larger flight is just a few feet away in the aviary greenhouse so the whole flock can hear each other back and forth all day and hear the music we replay all day for them .

Right now we are working with Teddy to support her after loosing her best budgie friend Cinnamon, Both Teddy and Cinnamon are elder budgie hens. Taking an older budgie from its flock is risky for their emotional well being.

We moved our flock in units of 10 to 15 birds to their new home, and waited for each group to adjust and pass quarantine, before setting up a new transport. This reduces the stress on the old flock that will meld with our flock. Also we try never to introduce new members to a breeding flock while there are families in the nest box. We try to allow 6 weeks before and after the breeding session each year. This helps avoid French Molt and similar illiness issues that are specific for the chicks less than 12 weeks old. We avoid the word "rush" around the breeding boxes. We usually set up 3 pairs as a minimum to allow for possible foster parents and possible failure to lay or fill the eggs. This also provides the flock comfort that tells a hen that it is safe to lay and raise a family.We have used the recorded sounds of an active budgie breeding room to assist in the process.

So now we are checking to see if Teddy and Apollo will become buddies. So far Teddy sits on the perch next to Apollo but he is still loyal to his best bud, Sunny Sky. or Sky's little brother. This process can take weeks or months, especially when we are working with the loss of a long time mate or best bud. We do extra hand feeding with the older birds to help prevent refusal to eat by the surviving pair member. These are opportunities for us humans to observe and learn about budgie social dynamics. Deb can tell you a wonderful story of members of her flock gathering to support a hen who was having problems adjusting to her new home and the opportunity to fly outside her cage with the rest of the flock. I love listening to and watching her flocks dynamics in the pics she posts. What a blessings to be a small part of TB. Jo Ann
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I guess i mostly meant budgies that were socialized with humans at a young age XD, i said hand fed because you definetly have more human interaction that way where as if they were raised by their parents the breeder could simply have as little contact with the budgie as possible, although im not saying this is what happens normally.
Also yes, i realize the great amount of patience and care you need for raising a budgie, after all it is a living thing with feelings, like a really mini child. It's mostly why i want to make sure the budgies i have stay happy and healthy, hence me wanting to get Spike another buddy that will actually like him, even though i know the effort it takes to take care of one

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Thanks Julie and Leslie. We still have Bubbles' aunt here in our aviary, The very gentle nature seems to be a family characteristic. She is Stephen's special budgie, the way Apollo is for me. We both work with and handle all of the flock members, as we clip nails . reshape beaks, and give them their interim wellness check. We check weight and look for abnormal growths, check for parasites,check vent and condition of feathers. We tend to let me be the bad guy when we need to do a procedure. That way our budgies always have a human to look to for special loving when they are ill or need nails clipped.

Daily, I am reminded how important the flock bond as well as the human bond, are in the life of a budgie. Feather Family structure is so important to the self confidence of companion birds. It tells them it is OK to really be a bird. With Just under 20 birds we have opportunities to experiment with social dynamics. Just after Christmas. We released all of the budgies save, Teddy and Apollo who are in our special needs cage. It is clear that flock interaction is so important. We usually rotate a second pair into the special needs cage to keep Teddy and Apollo company. Because our flock is used to more than one or 2 budgies in an enclosure we have found that in order to keep Apollo and Teddy active, they need that second pair, usually Sunny Sky or his younger brother and their special hens. Except for illness or breeding we try to watch and place flock buddies in the same flight or the flight adjoining it. The larger flight is just a few feet away in the aviary greenhouse so the whole flock can hear each other back and forth all day and hear the music we replay all day for them .

Right now we are working with Teddy to support her after loosing her best budgie friend Cinnamon, Both Teddy and Cinnamon are elder budgie hens. Taking an older budgie from its flock is risky for their emotional well being.

We moved our flock in units of 10 to 15 birds to their new home, and waited for each group to adjust and pass quarantine, before setting up a new transport. This reduces the stress on the old flock that will meld with our flock. Also we try never to introduce new members to a breeding flock while there are families in the nest box. We try to allow 6 weeks before and after the breeding session each year. This helps avoid French Molt and similar illiness issues that are specific for the chicks less than 12 weeks old. We avoid the word "rush" around the breeding boxes. We usually set up 3 pairs as a minimum to allow for possible foster parents and possible failure to lay or fill the eggs. This also provides the flock comfort that tells a hen that it is safe to lay and raise a family.We have used the recorded sounds of an active budgie breeding room to assist in the process.

So now we are checking to see if Teddy and Apollo will become buddies. So far Teddy sits on the perch next to Apollo but he is still loyal to his best bud, Sunny Sky. or Sky's little brother. This process can take weeks or months, especially when we are working with the loss of a long time mate or best bud. We do extra hand feeding with the older birds to help prevent refusal to eat by the surviving pair member. These are opportunities for us humans to observe and learn about budgie social dynamics. Deb can tell you a wonderful story of members of her flock gathering to support a hen who was having problems adjusting to her new home and the opportunity to fly outside her cage with the rest of the flock. I love listening to and watching her flocks dynamics in the pics she posts. What a blessings to be a small part of TB. Jo Ann
Your comment actually made me realize something. The way you said that feathered family is important because it raises the confidence of a bird, it reminded me of Spike. Maybe his underlying problem is that the other two don't like him. After all if the only two birds in the house like you don't actually like your company, it probably would affect you. I've been thinking about this but i really wasn't sure if i was just overthinking it or not

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