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I'm not planning on this anytime soon. . . but in the back of my mind, sometimes, is the idea of getting another male budgie as a friend for Biz.

He's fine for now --- I have plenty of time of for him and he seems happy. He does however seem very curious if I watch a budgie video -- and all of the mirrors have to be covered in my home because if not, he'll spend too much time with them.

I know all the reasons why I would not get a second budgie right now, and I won't bore you with those details.. I know I would have to be very ready. And ready if Biz and the new one wouldn't get along after the quarantine.

My question is along these lines... Biz is a very sweet, laid back bird, but he can be bossy at times if he's not getting his way. He will still bite me to let me know he doesn't want to do what I'm asking. (Which is fine, it doesn't hurt. He's protesting. It doesn't happen often. Mostly it's not wanting to stop what he's doing.) Sometimes he plays with toys aggressively. Not often but he'll get worked up and attack plastic beads, etc. He tears into yucca chips with abandon, and loves to chew palm leaves. He can be territorial with food. If he has dish of seed and he thinks my hand is getting too close he does the budgie "growl"... the angry dolphin noise... to warm me that he is lording over his food and I better not try to get any. [ Obviously, I'd need two of everything if there were a second bird. ]

He's mostly sweet and social, but I'm wondering if some of the more aggressive sides of his personality are indicators he might be mean to another male budgie.

I've observed a sweet & passive male budgie at the pet store and was thinking if I were to get another male, I would look for a mild mannered one like that. ...I've seen some males that seem to like to bug everyone else in the cage.... and it seems as if a personality that like could be annoying to Biz.

Again, not going to do this any time soon (I've had Biz about 5 months) but I'm looking around the corner & educating myself if I were ever to go this route.

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Knowing your Biz's personality, you will be in the best position to weigh the pros and cons of getting a potential friend for him.
Generally speaking, for more human oriented pet birds who are strongly bonded to their favourite person and are perfectly happy with how things are, it's best to not cause a disruption by getting a same species companion, because more often than not, they will not accept this change well.

As for playing with toys aggressively, my budgie boy Tito Junior does this and yet he is as sweet as can be, very placid, he's my shyest budgie and he rarely bickers with his flockmates. This is not an accurate indicator that a budgie will be aggressive.
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I agree with Aluz as well.

As you know, my girl Mallorn is a solo bird, and I've weighed the possibility of getting her a companion before. However, she is very closely bonded with me and considers the family her "flock". She is easily jealous of other people or birds that interact with her "flock", and has a very bossy temperament.

Although she is sweet to me, I don't think she would get on well with another bird companion, and because she's happier than ever with everything how it is now, she won't be getting a companion!

This is just my personal experience with Mallorn, of course, all birds are different and it will be up to you to judge if Biz would benefit from a friend in the future, as mentioned
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It's good that you're really thinking about it first before making a decision.

When I got Jimmy it was for him to be a single bird. I quickly felt that Jimmy was a more bird oriented budgie and missed having a friend, which lead me to get a friend for him.
Whenever I got a new bird I can generally pick one that will fit in the flock well by observing their behaviours in the cage with the other budgies.
Considering I have 6 males and 6 females, I have two pairs of bonded male budgies yet I would never have guessed those birds would choose one another.

If you decide to, I would say that doing it before Biz gets too old and set in his ways would be for the best, but just being curious about budgie noises isn't a real indicator that he's missing bird friends if he seems well adjusted in every other way.
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Knowing your Biz's personality, you will be in the best position to weigh the pros and cons of getting a potential friend for him.
Generally speaking, for more human oriented pet birds who are strongly bonded to their favourite person and are perfectly happy with how things are, it's best to not cause a disruption by getting a same species companion, because more often than not, they will not accept this change well.

As for playing with toys aggressively, my budgie boy Tito Junior does this and yet he is as sweet as can be, very placid, he's my shyest budgie and he rarely bickers with his flockmates. This is not an accurate indicator that a budgie will be aggressive.

Yeah... I hear you. He seems pretty content and peaceful and happy with the way things are and his routine... and he is happy to play at own pace, sit by himself & chirp happily for hours, play with me when he feels like it. He does seem very peaceful and comfortable in his cage. Every day he hops around on two feet when he gets out of his cage & is especially happy.

It's only when he does thing like...chirp a lot to the brand sticker on the outside of his cage that I wonder if he's lonely. And sometimes I wish he had a buddy to help him preen.

But with the new bird, there are so many variables... you're right. It could be disruptive, annoying, depressing... he might be jealous. I have seen a pair of budgies where the first was strongly bonded to the human, and the new budgie was not much more than an annoyance. Where the two didn't dislike each other, but they weren't particularly best friends either. Seemed like the first one tolerated the other one like an annoying kid brother.

Good to know that aggressive toy playing isn't a good indicator of aggression towards other mates.


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I agree with Aluz as well.

As you know, my girl Mallorn is a solo bird, and I've weighed the possibility of getting her a companion before. However, she is very closely bonded with me and considers the family her "flock". She is easily jealous of other people or birds that interact with her "flock", and has a very bossy temperament.

Although she is sweet to me, I don't think she would get on well with another bird companion, and because she's happier than ever with everything how it is now, she won't be getting a companion!

This is just my personal experience with Mallorn, of course, all birds are different and it will be up to you to judge if Biz would benefit from a friend in the future, as mentioned

Yeah... that all makes sense. Thanks for the feedback. He seems pretty happy and healthy, so might not make sense to rock the apple cart for the time being. It could be great.... but it could go in the wrong direction.

What do you think the signs would be if he weren't happy being a solo budgie? Would he seem more depressed & less cheerful? He's pretty cheerful. He chirps and plays much of the day. (When he's not napping. But even then, he chirps himself to sleep.) ... He likes to be greeted in the morning ...and he always like attention at the same time in the evening. He's reasonably predictable.

How does Mallorn feel about your sister's dove? I saw a pair of Diamond Doves in person for the first time in the pet store the other day and they were really adorable. I wondered if they could ever be kept in the same cage (a budgie and a diamond dove): and haven't read up on this at all, but I believe I've seen on here in threads, that you can't keep different species in the same cage.

On Instagram, I saw a baby quaker parrot and a young budgie (6 months-ish) move in together at the same time and they're bonded. It's pretty amazing given the size difference. The budgie loves to preen the big quaker, and then finally felt comfortable letting the quaker preen him. Such a big difference in size.

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It's good that you're really thinking about it first before making a decision.

When I got Jimmy it was for him to be a single bird. I quickly felt that Jimmy was a more bird oriented budgie and missed having a friend, which lead me to get a friend for him.
Whenever I got a new bird I can generally pick one that will fit in the flock well by observing their behaviours in the cage with the other budgies.
Considering I have 6 males and 6 females, I have two pairs of bonded male budgies yet I would never have guessed those birds would choose one another.

If you decide to, I would say that doing it before Biz gets too old and set in his ways would be for the best, but just being curious about budgie noises isn't a real indicator that he's missing bird friends if he seems well adjusted in every other way.
Thanks for your thoughts Therm. That's interesting that the two that bonded, were not the ones that you would have expected. And yeah, I'm really thinking it through if I were to go through with a second one. I would also really have to be ready to worry about two budgies b/c I worry a lot about one. (Is he healthy...weighing him every morning... etc. I might go nuts worrying about too.

What made you think Jimmy was more of a bird-oriented budgie? Was he sort of indifferent to you? Biz is medium-indifferent to me. I've seen budgies that want to be with their human often, if not much of the time ... but Biz likes to play independently a lot... but then comes to see me when he's in the mood. And when he wants attention he's pretty clear about it. He won't get off my hand if I try to put him in the cage if he's not done... instead he crawls up my arm to try to get closer to my face.

Good to know that curiosity about budgie noises isn't a big indicator that he's lonely. Now that I think about it... he gets bored and flies off after a certain amount of time if I'm playing a budgie video.

What do you think would be too old for Biz. A year...? 18 months? He's about 9 months now... I've had him about 5 months now. He's pretty settled in and comfortable. He works on trying to mimic human words... but is so bad at it....that it's funny. He tries so hard... but everything sounds like chirping.

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Biz should do fine with most any male or female so long as their cage is large enough. (Minimum 30" wide x 18" x 18" or better 30" wide x 36" x 18".) He'd remain tame but not as bonded with you.
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Thanks for your thoughts Cody. That's interesting that the two that bonded, were not the ones that you would have expected. And yeah, I'm really thinking it through if I were to go through with a second one. I would also really have to be ready to worry about two budgies b/c I worry a lot about one. (Is he healthy...weighing him every morning... etc. I might go nuts worrying about too.

What made you think Jimmy was more of a bird-oriented budgie? Was he sort of indifferent to you? Biz is medium-indifferent to me. I've seen budgies that want to be with their human often, if not much of the time ... but Biz likes to play independently a lot... but then comes to see me when he's in the mood. And when he wants attention he's pretty clear about it. He won't get off my hand if I try to put him in the cage if he's not done... instead he crawls up my arm to try to get closer to my face.

Good to know that curiosity about budgie noises isn't a big indicator that he's lonely. Now that I think about it... he gets bored and flies off after a certain amount of time if I'm playing a budgie video.

What do you think would be too old for Biz. A year...? 18 months? He's about 9 months now... I've had him about 5 months now. He's pretty settled in and comfortable. He works on trying to mimic human words... but is so bad at it....that it's funny. He tries so hard... but everything sounds like chirping.
With my current flock, if two males were to be buds, I'd have gone with Jimmy and Skye because they were friends before, and Jay was bonded a bit to Jimmy before the girls came. As soon as Sunny & Sage arrived Jay could not have cared less about Jimmy.
When I got Skye originally he was the fifth budgie so was a bit of a spare and he used to go in Sunny and Jimmy's cage when he was a bubby. But Jimmy & Tommy really hit it off. Tommy' so social and chatty.
But even before when I had the budgies paired up, one pair per cage, I always let them choose who they wanted to be with. I just think living all together as a flock changes things.
As for worrying about things, it might be worth waiting until you are a lot calmer about Biz before introducing a new friend, if you decide too.

Jimmy just seemed unhappy. I could get him to eat from my hand and to step up to eat, but I felt that though he would do things, he wasn't thriving. It probably didn't help that he had mites quite badly and was probably miserable from that. But once I got Jay I knew I'd made the right decision for him. Jimmy used to squash himself on the same swing as Jay just so he could be right next to him. It was the cutest thing. I think Jimmy is a very bird social bird anyway. He bonded very deeply with Sunny and was obviously mourning her loss and again, he has now bonded with Tommy. He just likes other birds. Some of the others are the same as him and others would probably have been really good as a single bird. Skye, Jake, Lucy, Jenny & Tommy I think would all have been fine being solo birds.

I'm not sure when exactly would be a cut off point just that the more settled and used to things Biz gets, potentially could upset him more.

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With my current flock, if two males were to be buds, I'd have gone with Jimmy and Skye because they were friends before, and Jay was bonded a bit to Jimmy before the girls came. As soon as Sunny & Sage arrived Jay could not have cared less about Jimmy.
When I got Skye originally he was the fifth budgie so was a bit of a spare and he used to go in Sunny and Jimmy's cage when he was a bubby. But Jimmy & Tommy really hit it off. Tommy' so social and chatty.
But even before when I had the budgies paired up, one pair per cage, I always let them choose who they wanted to be with. I just think living all together as a flock changes things.
>>> That is so interesting about how they find who they like.


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As for worrying about things, it might be worth waiting until you are a lot calmer about Biz before introducing a new friend, if you decide too.
Yeah, I'm pretty calm at this point... I may have been exaggerating.... a tiny bit... but I was pretty concerned in the beginning.... and I'm still like... "are you eating enough?"... "are you ok? you seem pretty quiet today...." "is that a tail bob???" ... I inspect the droppings regularly....etc. I'm pretty relaxed, like not a *total* Nervous Nelly ... but you're right... I need be prepared to not be neurotic about two budgies. It's a happy medium between being thoughtful and observational and not being too spazzy about it.

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Jimmy just seemed unhappy. I could get him to eat from my hand and to step up to eat, but I felt that though he would do things, he wasn't thriving. It probably didn't help that he had mites quite badly and was probably miserable from that. But once I got Jay I knew I'd made the right decision for him. Jimmy used to squash himself on the same swing as Jay just so he could be right next to him. It was the cutest thing. I think Jimmy is a very bird social bird anyway. He bonded very deeply with Sunny and was obviously mourning her loss and again, he has now bonded with Tommy. He just likes other birds. Some of the others are the same as him and others would probably have been really good as a single bird. Skye, Jake, Lucy, Jenny & Tommy I think would all have been fine being solo birds.
That's all very fascinating. It does sound really cute. I picked Biz to take him home because he was very curious and the only one who would come over to check me out. He kept doing that, unlike any of the others. He was very friendly & curious. And he was pretty easy going from the day I took him home. A little bit nervous, and seemed a bit anxious for a couple weeks (compared to how he is now).... but nothing like I've read about with other budgies being scared. He started chirping on the second day.

I think he would probably be fine with another budgie because he's very friendly... but he's not particularly un-fine now. He seems pretty content and has a routine. I will continue to mull this over, and definitely I need to be ready on many fronts, and I know I'm not.

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I'm not sure when exactly would be a cut off point just that the more settled and used to things Biz gets, potentially could upset him more.
This makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah... that all makes sense. Thanks for the feedback. He seems pretty happy and healthy, so might not make sense to rock the apple cart for the time being. It could be great.... but it could go in the wrong direction.

What do you think the signs would be if he weren't happy being a solo budgie? Would he seem more depressed & less cheerful? He's pretty cheerful. He chirps and plays much of the day. (When he's not napping. But even then, he chirps himself to sleep.) ... He likes to be greeted in the morning ...and he always like attention at the same time in the evening. He's reasonably predictable.

How does Mallorn feel about your sister's dove? I saw a pair of Diamond Doves in person for the first time in the pet store the other day and they were really adorable. I wondered if they could ever be kept in the same cage (a budgie and a diamond dove): and haven't read up on this at all, but I believe I've seen on here in threads, that you can't keep different species in the same cage.

On Instagram, I saw a baby quaker parrot and a young budgie (6 months-ish) move in together at the same time and they're bonded. It's pretty amazing given the size difference. The budgie loves to preen the big quaker, and then finally felt comfortable letting the quaker preen him. Such a big difference in size.
Being withdrawn from humans, not being receptive to taming, and general inability to entertain himself (i.e not a lot of playing with toys by himself) would all be signs of depression/wanting a friend.

As for Tilda, Mallorn's really strange with her. She likes talking to her, and screaming at her as well, through the cage bars. Also, she likes to try and hijack her stuff through the cage bars. We've tried in the past to let them out together (under supervision) because they seemed to get on well when separated by cage bars, but Tilda was just much too passive and let Mallorn walk all over her (literally!).

Mallorn, bothered by the lack of response from Tilda, would try and step on her and chase her around. At some points, it seemed like she was trying to "make friends", but Tilda was having none of it and Mallorn just got frustrated. Besides, she hated when I spoke to Tilda when she was out with her and would land on my shoulder to scold me afterwards. Needless to say, they aren't allowed out at the same time anymore, Mallorn's too much of a handful. She still likes visiting her through the cage bars, though, and Tilda is just fine with that

I don't think I would ever recommend housing a diamond dove and a budgie in the same cage. Doves are so passive; they are almost the polar opposite of budgies, and compared with the rambunctious budgies I don't reckon it would be good at all.

Tilda is very zen, she values her peace and quiet, and although she has bonded in an amazing way with my sister, she still wouldn't appreciate having any more budgies near her

Oh, and about the quaker and the budgie: that is never, never, never, never recommended, even if the birds are bonded! A Quaker is huge, and like all roommates, when the two birds ever argue, even a light peck from a Quaker could be fatal to a budgie.

Ana (aluz) has a budgie and a lovebird who are bonded, but despite this, they are not allowed to share a cage because of this.

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Being withdrawn from humans, not being receptive to taming, and general inability to entertain himself (i.e not a lot of playing with toys by himself) would all be signs of depression/wanting a friend.

As for Tilda, Mallorn's really strange with her. She likes talking to her, and screaming at her as well, through the cage bars. Also, she likes to try and hijack her stuff through the cage bars. We've tried in the past to let them out together (under supervision) because they seemed to get on well when separated by cage bars, but Tilda was just much too passive and let Mallorn walk all over her (literally!).

Mallorn, bothered by the lack of response from Tilda, would try and step on her and chase her around. At some points, it seemed like she was trying to "make friends", but Tilda was having none of it and Mallorn just got frustrated. Besides, she hated when I spoke to Tilda when she was out with her and would land on my shoulder to scold me afterwards. Needless to say, they aren't allowed out at the same time anymore, Mallorn's too much of a handful. She still likes visiting her through the cage bars, though, and Tilda is just fine with that

I don't think I would ever recommend housing a diamond dove and a budgie in the same cage. Doves are so passive; they are almost the polar opposite of budgies, and compared with the rambunctious budgies I don't reckon it would be good at all.

Tilda is very zen, she values her peace and quiet, and although she has bonded in an amazing way with my sister, she still wouldn't appreciate having any more budgies near her

Oh, and about the quaker and the budgie: that is never, never, never, never recommended, even if the birds are bonded! A Quaker is huge, and like all roommates, when the two birds ever argue, even a light peck from a Quaker could be fatal to a budgie.

Ana (aluz) has a budgie and a lovebird who are bonded, but despite this, they are not allowed to share a cage because of this.

Does that help?

Star... that helps a ton and it was a fascinating read. Thanks! I really got a sense of Mallorn's personality and got a chuckle at it. I'm glad that Tilda and Mallorn can visit through the bars.

Re. the Quaker and the Budgie.... she has actually reached out to me on social media and asked me questions about vegetables etc. .... I think I should advise her that the two should get their own separate cages immediately. (I would have done so by now, but I hadn't done any research yet on different species + budgies.) Since they're bonded... it's ok if they still play together, but with direct supervision....?

I will refer her to the forums, but I also want to give her the best initial advice when I let her know that there are dangers with the shared living arrangement.

Thoughts?

Thanks...!
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