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Old 02-19-2017, 02:31 PM
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I'm new here and just introduced myself in the introduction section! I don't have a budgie yet but am doing all the necessary research to make sure I know as much as possible before I find my future buddy. I found a local pet store who sells budgies and they get them from a local breeder. Over the phone, I tried to ask questions about the breeder to see what his standards are and to determine if he is knowledgeable and ethical. All the pet store rep could or would tell me is that the breeder treats the birds well and he's local to Louisville. They said that it wasn't policy to give out his name or info so I could research him. I still want to go into the store and check out the birds/conditions myself, but is all of that a huge red flag in itself? I mean at this point they could just be telling me what I want to hear. I didn't get the impression they were lying and really used sunpet or something but how would I know? Are there better questions I could ask to help get more info out of them? Thanks in advance.

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To me, it doesn't sound unusual that they won't pass on the breeders information.
The breeder has a right to privacy and as far as I'm aware, if there were issues etc. it would be up to the pet store to contact that breeder but not for them to pass on the information.

Perhaps you can ask if your email address could be passed on to the breeder?
But I would be looking at the birds at the pet store first to see if they look like they kept in good condition and look healthy themselves.
That seems the best step to take.
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I agree with Therm.
Most pet stores will not release any information about their breeders other than giving you a vague general location where the breeder may be located.

When you go to the pet-store, observe the birds for awhile to see how many are in the cage, whether or not they look healthy (smooth feathers, bright eyes, active, etc) and what they are being given by the pet store to eat.

If the birds appear to be healthy and happy, as Therm suggested, you can ask if the store manager would be willing to pass your information to the breeder and ask the breeder to contact you directly.

Blame the forum if you want, Tell the manager (and breeder) that you are a member of a forum and are performing all the recommended due-diligence before deciding where to get your budgie when the time comes. Anyone who is self-confident in their breeding practices will most likely be more than happy to talk with you.

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I agree with the great advice above I look forward to hearing an update on how things go with the pet store!
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Welp it wasn't pretty There were about 12 birds crammed in a maybe 24" long cage. Only seed in their food bowl and no toys at all, just some perches. And literally all of the birds looked like they were sleeping or lethargic, which I read can indicate stress. I've never seen so little activity in a cage with so many birds. I didn't even ask to contact the breeder because obviously I don't like the pet store's practices and the environment seemed stressful. My search continues! There's another pet store 30 minutes from me. They said they get their budgies from "a local Amish guy" ha so I'm gonna go check it out this week. Thanks for everyone's input!
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I'm sorry to hear that the pet store kept their budgies in such unfortunate conditions! However, you made the right choice to keep looking. I look forward to hearing how the next pet store looks with regards to their budgies
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We'll be looking forward to updates regarding your search for a good breeder in this thread.

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I don't know what it's like over there, but in the UK most of our local pet stores won't have budgies in luxury.
Most of the time budgies will be in a fairly small cage with basics only. The cages won't be the right size for the amount of birds, usually no toys and just normal dowel perches.
This is because budgies have a high turn over and they'll be in and out. It's a temporary arrangement, so they don't give them more than what they need to survive. I know some pet shops have aviary like set ups occasionally, but more often than not, it's just cages.

Obviously health is the main thing. It would be wonderful if you can find a great pet shop and some lovely healthy budgies. I just hope the standards your looking for are out there.
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Thanks everyone! And thanks Therm, I agree with you. I think my standards for how animals should be treated are too high to allow myself to support a pet store who is willing to shove a bunch of birds together with the minimum they need to survive. I'm not judging anyone who buys from a pet store at all, those birdies need love too, but I think for me personally I'm just going to have to get a bird from a breeder or rescue. Totally not trying to sound holier than thou so I hope it's not coming off that way! Just trying to figure it all out. Thanks again for all the input.
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I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for.

Finding a breeder that you are happy with is a smart move. Maybe if you find a nice pet shop with healthy looking budgies you can ask them to pass your details on to their breeder.
Perhaps if there's a bird show near you, you could go to that. You could possibly find a good breeder that way.

Over here, we also have a Cage & Aviary monthly magazine which lists breeders in. I wonder if there is any publication like that over there that could help you.
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