Budgie separation issues - Talk Budgies Forums


User Menu
Forum Home
Budgie Gallery
Budgie FAQ
Site Guidelines
How-To-Guide
Members List
Today's Posts
Log In
Register now!
Search



Advanced Search
Popular Forums
Announcements

Budgie Articles

Budgie Talk

Budgie Pictures

Budgie Videos

Budgie Behavior

Determining Gender

Your Budgie's Health

Taming and Bonding

Budgie Breeding

In Memory

Other Birds

Contests

Chit Chat

Site Information

Talk Network
Talk Budgies
Talk Cockatiels
Talk Parrotlets
Talk Parrots
Sponsored Ads

Go Back   Talk Budgies Forums > Budgie Talk > General Budgie Talk


Closed Thread
 
Short URL LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 08-02-2018, 04:57 AM
Newbie
 
Profile:Moors is offline
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 10
Rep Power: 0
Moors is on a distinguished road
Unhappy Budgie separation issues

Hi, I'm Laura. I'm posting as I'm in a bit of a situation with my birds!

In May, I wanted to rehome some budgies, so looked on Gumtree for somebody who could no longer keep theirs. I found a pair; the owner said they weren't hand tame but were under a year old, so I hoped they'd be young enough to get a bit friendlier. I'd love them to sit on my hand, but my main goal really was just to get them tame enough so I could let them out the cage sometimes, and to have some hope of getting them back in without a chase!

That aside, within the first few days of ownership, the female started to attack the male. This continued, and his head was frequently bare with dried blood. I bought a second cage, and split them up for a while, side by side. I then put them back together for another attempt, but the same happened again - now one is in my bedroom, and another upstairs. As I'm off uni for Summer, I'm in the room with each for a couple hours each day, studying, eating, watching things, etc. However, the male is very noisy - I don't think he is coping well with being alone. As both are quite skittish and not tame, I don't think I'm particularly good company for them. Also, if the female hears the male squeak, it sets her off, and it can go on for some time. I've put their cages in further apart rooms, but occasionally they can still hear one another, and sound distressed. Since May, I have spent time with them, next to them, trying my hand in the cage, etc, but they don't seem to be getting tamer. They aren't bothered about millet which does not help.

Sorry to write so much, I'm a little stuck with what to do, and would appreciate some advice.

Many thanks

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 08-02-2018, 01:00 PM
RavensGryf's Avatar
RavensGryf (Julie)
Super Moderator/Member of the Month October 2015

State:
 
Profile: RavensGryf is online now
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 2
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Owner
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Southern California
Posts: 6,696
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 4942
Rep Power: 16
RavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond reputeRavensGryf has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hi Laura, welcome!

It’s great that you’re keeping them permanently separated now, but I would place them in the same room. If not side by side in their own cages, at least in the same room. That way, they’ll have companionship of each other, yet won’t be able to get at one another because of territory issues.

As far as being noisy, that’s typical of budgies when they’re mature and healthy. Budgies are a very vocal species, so the noise is quite normal. Especially since they’re responding to each other. Even in the same room though, you’ll hear them make noise frequently.

We have a ton of information here on budgie bonding and taming, behavior, diet, housing, and a lot more, to help you do your best for them. We encourage all members to read the Stickies and Articles provided.

Some budgies take to taming more easily than others, but usually it takes a lot of consistent dedication and time spent. I understand if you don’t have the time or desire for that. Many of us are satisfied with wild or semi-tame budgies. They can still be adorable, fun little pets, even when not “tame”.
__________________
  #3  
Old 08-03-2018, 11:40 PM
FaeryBee's Avatar
FaeryBee (Deborah)
Administrator



State:
 
Profile:FaeryBee is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 53,658
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 2575
Rep Power: 35
FaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond reputeFaeryBee has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hi! to Talk Budgies

RavensGryf has offered some good advice.

Please take the time to read through all of the How To Guides, the FAQs and the stickies located at the top of each section of the forum.

You'll find most of your basic questions about budgies and caring for them will have been answered after you've read through all of them.

Site Guidelines
How-To Guides
FAQs Frequently Asked Questions
Budgie Articles
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...-stickies.html
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...ng-forums.html
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...e-expense.html
Avian First Aid
Why Quarantine?

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...watch-out.html

https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...s-new-old.html

https://talkbudgies.com/housing-budgi...age-sizes.html
https://talkbudgies.com/housing-budgi...reat-cage.html
https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...directory.html

When you upload pictures as thumbnail attachments directly from your computer, tablet or phone, the forum automatically defaults to landscape.

To upload full-sized pictures with the proper orientation, please use a photo-sharing service such as PhotoBucket and follow the steps in these instructions:
https://talkbudgies.com/how-guides/17...otobucket.html

For gender and/or mutation help - Lighting and Angle DOES matter

By the way, all photos entered in any of our forum contests must be a full-size photo and not a thumbnail attachment so it's good to know how to upload them!

If you have any questions after reading through everything, please be sure to ask!

Glad you decided to join us and looking forward to seeing you around the forums.

__________________

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 08-04-2018, 07:06 AM
JRS's Avatar
JRS (Julia)
Exceptional Service Award August 2017
State:
 
Profile:JRS is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 2
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Lover
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 1,096
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 2282
Rep Power: 7
JRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond reputeJRS has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hi Laura, youíve been given good advice above.
With regards to out of cage time, it isnít absolutely necessary for them to be fully tame in order to do so, itís just a lot easier.

At the time of posting, you said that one cage was in your bedroom and one was upstairs. I suggest that you assess both of these rooms to judge which will be the simplest to Ďbird proofí, both in terms of safety (covering mirrors/windows, placing items so that it would be difficult for a bird to fall behind a piece of furniture, poisonous plants that need relocating etc) and in terms of limiting very high roosting spots that could be awkward to remove them from if you suddenly needed to return them to their cage (eg. A blind within the window inset is easier for you than a curtain rail).
Perhaps you could have a slight reshuffle of the furniture within these two rooms to create a safer and less cluttered layout.
Give the birds a few days in their cages in the new room to familiarise themselves before allowing them to choose to come out of the cage.

My birds are semi-tame (will only step up for a bribe and have no real interest in me) and they are allowed out of the cage daily. They pop in and out throughout the day , and just naturally go back into their cages at the end of the day.
Make sure that you have a LOT of free time before you decide to leave the cage door open, you really donít want to make this a scary experience by having to catch them.

If there is anyone else living in the house, I think itís a good habit to place a sign on the outside handle of the room door(s), to avoid someone opening it at the wrong time.

Birdproof the room as much possible. Have some sound playing softly in the background, open the cage door(s), sit a little way from the cage and read a book/watch tv etc.
Let your bird choose whether to come out of the cage or not. If they donít, thatís fine, it often takes a while, just try again another day.

Most birds fly around a little crazy at first, thatís normal. They likely havenít had that amount of space to fly before and every potential landing spot seems to consist of untested materials. Your heart will also be racing but sit still and wait, donít add to the confusion by trying to help unless absolutely necessary, as youíre likely just creating another thing to get away from (you )
They often land on something high (curtain rail, picture frame, lampshade) wide-eyed and panting; sit still, let them catch their breath, calm down and think it through.

The most appealing places for your two will likely be the high spots and the other birdís cage.
Attach perches to the tops of their cages - For us, these are great places for them to hang out as any poop tends to fall into the cage. Donít place anything new and scary (eg brightly coloured new toy) in these areas that you want to encourage them to fly to; try to make them look familiar and safe.

I would recommend that you (at least initially) alternate which birdís cage to open and allow out only one bird at a time. Hopefully, this will encourage them to fly to the other birdís cage (rather than the curtain rail) and if these cages are placed at different sides of the room, it gives them a nice little exercise route.

Going back in the cage.
With perches on the outside of their cage, beside the doors, they should eventually find their way back inside.
Faerybee uses positive reinforcement to get her birds to return to their cages.
Quote - ďI have untamed budgies that go back in their cage because I've used positive reinforcement training to teach them they will get a reward when they do so.
Initially, when I was ready for them to go back in the cage I would first dim the lights and pull down the shades in the room. If the radio or TV was on, I turned it off.
Then I would stand by their cage and ringing the bell on one of their toys while telling them, "It's time to go in your cage now!"
Once they went back into the cage, they were given a small bit of millet.
This method worked well and they now go in the cage when asked to do so without the lights being dimmed or the blinds lowered and the TV or radio can stay on.
Getting the millet reward is the best part of Ďgoing back homeí.Ē

I realise that you have stated that your particular birds arenít interested in millet, but this could be any food that they find appealing. You could also split their daily ration of seed into two halves and give the second half at the end of out of cage time.

Once theyíve found their way back a few times, itíll become easier. Theyíll know what theyíre doing and what you want, plus youíll know where they like to visit and can think of ways to make certain areas (where youíd like them to be) more enticing, block off others and also make strategic poop protection additions.

Hopefully you will have some good time left before uni restarts, to make some progress. Try as best you can, to create an out of cage routine that you will be able to maintain when back at uni.
Best of luck
__________________
  #5  
Old 08-05-2018, 10:19 AM
StarlingWings's Avatar
Super Moderator // MEMBER OF THE YEAR 2015


 
Profile:StarlingWings is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 1
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Lover
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 17,531
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 12055
Rep Power: 38
StarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Hi there and to the forums!

You've been given fantastic advice by RavensGryf and JRS, I couldn't agree more

Be sure to also read through the forum's budgie articles and "stickies", linked in FaeryBee's post above, to ensure you're up to date on everything

If you have any questions after reading through everything, be sure to ask as we'd love to help! We hope to meet your two budgies soon.

Cheers
__________________

~StarlingWings~
and Princess Mallorn!
Thank you to Deb for her wonderful Faery magic
Closed Thread



Bookmarks

Tags
budgies, female, fighting, male, separate, split up

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:07 AM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2000- 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2006 - , 2403 Networks LLC. All rights reserved.