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Housing for Budgies Discuss Cages, Cage Set-Ups and Aviaries

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Default Why do cages with bar spacing wider than 1/2" even exist?

I happen to have the ear of a manufacturer who is going to consider some of my comments about their cages. . . and one of my comments is around bar spacing.

If best practices for finches, canaries & budgies is clearly 1/2"... and I've often seen 1/2" also recommended for parrotlets, lovebirds, cockatiels & smaller conures.... why do manufacturers even bother with 5/8"?

It seems like if they made the majority of their cages in 1/2" [ vs. it appears the majority is 5/8" ] ... that would be better for everyone and their business?

Any thoughts on this...?

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That is so great that you have someone willing to listen to your ideas!

I have had similar thoughts about this, and one thing that I noticed is, that some cages with the larger spacing are physically too small, in my opinion, for the Medium/larger birds that could be ok with the 5/8" spacing. So why bother making them as they clearly are not intended as travel cages?

One thing I would like to see in cages for our smaller fids is the smaller .5" spacing but with the thicker gauged wire bars that they sometimes use for cages with 5/8" spacing. I hope that makes sense. Sometimes I feel that the tiny gauged wire bars on some cages is too flimsy and just have longed for companies to offer both .5 spacing and tougher wire. I know some well-built flight cages do seem to offer this option I just wish that it was more common I guess.
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question but what's a "fid"...?

I agree with you! I'd love to see something like this cage in a 1/2" spacing:

Prevue Pet Products Model 124

It would be great to see more 1/2" options with stronger gauge wire. Hagen Vision has stronger gauge wire, but when I saw it in the pet store it was falling apart (the M02) and I couldn't deal with it. It was toppling over.

The cage manufacturers are losing a lot of budgie purchases by not having more 1/2".

Also, I think the small cages (11" x 9" x 14" or whatever) ... should be labeled as either travel or quarantine cages. They probably won't do that... but I'm going to suggest it anyway.
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It makes me lose a certain amount of respect for a company that sells inappropriate products, such as those too small cages. I won't claim I boycott them, I don't, but it has crossed my mind to. I understand that part of the problem is that the other companies make the too small cages and they would lose sales, but it still makes me cranky.
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Originally cages were only manufactured for birds like Canaries, Gold and Green Finches and Nightingales. These birds do not climb so the bars were always vertical, which parrot owners know are not the really suitable for our parrots who do climb. Horizontal bars are much better for parrots, but that also makes them difficult for such things as doors and feeder openings. So to give our parrots the horizontal bars they like would make the cages much more expensive as the doors and feeder openings would have to be re-designed, which some manufacturers have tried to do but it also makes them easier for the birds to open and hence escape. So basically all the cages are adaptions of the original canary cages.

The wider bars and heavier wire were made for the larger parrots, or larger beaked parrots, and really are not totally suitable for them either. Even a large budgie cage with 1/2 inch spacing and lighter wire is not suitable for Sun, Jenday or Nanday Conures as believe me they can just bite the bars out with their powerful beaks. I had a double exercise cage with a pair of Suns in it and they bit through the bars.

I have what is called a Cocky Cage which we use for show cages and they have a 1 inch spacing and heavy wire and my Sulphurs can bite the bars out of them too.

Apart from my show cages which my birds are cooped up in at the moment as I have recently moved and am still settling in and don't have my new aviary complex yet for many of the, I am now resorting to building my own cages for my birds. I am using 1inch square galvanized mesh which is quite heavy duty and is suitable for Macaws in aviaries. They will be put together with J Clips and will then sit on a frame, these will be outside under my carport that I don't use and I am also going to mesh in half the carport with special soft mesh that they use for the walkthrough aviaries so my birds can come out of their cages and fly around during free flight time. My standard aviaries will have heavy duty 1/2 inch square wire mesh.

Don't forget all these companies are out there to make money, they don't keep birds so really don't care if the cages are not suitable for the birds, they just want to sell as many as they can, for as much as they can and make them as cheaply as they can.
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question but what's a "fid"...?

I agree with you! I'd love to see something like this cage in a 1/2" spacing:

Prevue Pet Products Model 124

It would be great to see more 1/2" options with stronger gauge wire. Hagen Vision has stronger gauge wire, but when I saw it in the pet store it was falling apart (the M02) and I couldn't deal with it. It was toppling over.

The cage manufacturers are losing a lot of budgie purchases by not having more 1/2".

Also, I think the small cages (11" x 9" x 14" or whatever) ... should be labeled as either travel or quarantine cages. They probably won't do that... but I'm going to suggest it anyway.
That is an old style cockatiel cage. I bought that style over 2 decades ago when I got my first cockatiel as a teenager headed off to college. The metal isn't painted with powder coating it has a tendency to rust. I threw mine out after less then a year of owning it due to rusting. Your money would be better spent on a flight cage which can be had for a tiny bit more and 3 times as large.

If I had manufacturers ear. I would suggest wanting more aluminum cage options. King's cages seems to be the only one right now doing anything with this possibility. I would also ask that cages be made so that the bottom grill was optional instead of mandatory since so many bird owners prefer just to use a tray. Bar spacing to me is a non issue. I would love modular cages. Cages with interlocking panels that you can expand as you have more money and more room and if a panel gets damaged you don't have to throw the whole cage out just replace the damaged panel.
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5/8" is generally recommended for small parrots (but not tiny ones ). While the bar spacing of cages tends to go with the size of the bird it's intended for, I agree that many cages with the larger 3/4 and 1" bar spacing are way too small in the interior space.

Since the aluminum cages were mentioned, I also hope more companies will start manufacturing them. They would be nice to have for all sized birds. I have a King's aluminum cage for one of my parrots, and I really like it. My Ruppell's parrot is considered "small", about the size of a Sun or Jenday conure but his beak is strong enough that he bit all the powder coating off of about a 6" square area of the bars in no time. I had to order him a King's aluminum cage on emergency last year. They're much lighter weight, will never rust, no paint to chip, clean modern look.
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5/8" is generally recommended for small parrots (but not tiny ones ). While the bar spacing of cages tends to go with the size of the bird it's intended for, I agree that many cages with the larger 3/4 and 1" bar spacing are way too small in the interior space.

Since the aluminum cages were mentioned, I also hope more companies will start manufacturing them. They would be nice to have for all sized birds. I have a King's aluminum cage for one of my parrots, and I really like it. My Ruppell's parrot is considered "small", about the size of a Sun or Jenday conure but his beak is strong enough that he bit all the powder coating off of about a 6" square area of the bars in no time. I had to order him a King's aluminum cage on emergency last year. They're much lighter weight, will never rust, no paint to chip, clean modern look.

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. I hear you... those powder coated cages are pretty easy for birds to chew through. I have a small white powder coated cage that I use for transport of a sleeping cage sometimes, and my little budgie was able to make bitemarks on the white bars, revealing the black underneath. (He has plenty to chew on but go figure. What is it about birds that they always get into what you don't want them to get into

Do you have any links to the aluminum cages? I went on the King's site but couldn't find it.... : /
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If a budgie chewed paint off, it must have been 'regular' cage paint . Powder coating gets baked on and goes through a process that makes it hard like metal.

I also didn't find the aluminum cages on the website at this time. I remember when I got mine, it was one of the last ones from their old manufacturer. They were going to change manufacturers for their aluminum cages last year, but maybe there was a hitch somehow and they didn't get into production yet? I don't know.. Why not give King's a call? They're located in New Jersey. King's Cages - Avian and Pet Bird Cages, Supplies, Food, Toys, Perches, Aviaries, Pluck No More
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