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Old 01-07-2013, 09:05 PM
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Can vets perform some sort of genetic test to determine the relationship of budgies? Can they find out if all their genes came from the same source or not?
I have two budgies, Cirrus and Nimbus, who are adorable together and seem to be bonded, but I would never even think of breeding them if they were related, so I want to find out. I got both of them from the same pet store and they're both white base dominant pieds. I also have two others, Snowy and Lilac, that are getting along very well, and they're both white base greywings, but Snowy is a double factor dominant pied, and it got me thinking, so I made some punnett squares and I discovered that it's technically possible for Cirrus, Nimbus, Snowy, and Lilac to all be related to each other!
If there is some genetic way to find out if they're related, I bet it's expensive. Would asking the pet store what breeder they get their budgies from help (I could look up the breeder and find out if they have the pairs my punnett square calls for to make it possible for them all to be related)?

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Do they have leg bands? That would be a good way to find out the breeder.
If you got them from a pet shop at the same time, chances are good that they are related.
I don't think there is a test you can have done.
You can ask at the pet shop to find out the breeder, but without a leg band, that probably would not help much.
I would probably not breed them.

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Do they have leg bands? That would be a good way to find out the breeder.
If you got them from a pet shop at the same time, chances are good that they are related.
I don't think there is a test you can have done.
You can ask at the pet shop to find out the breeder, but without a leg band, that probably would not help much.
I would probably not breed them.

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No, they don't have leg bands. I was just hoping there was something similar to a paternity test, but for birds. I feel like I've heard of something like that before (gene sequencing for birds). I'll definitely talk to the pet store.

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Well now I feel silly, after a lot of digging I just found a website for a place that does avian DNA relation testing! Hurray! But it is pretty pricey!
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Yes, talking to the pet store is a good idea. See if you can contact the breeder. If they are fairly distantly related, you might still consider breeding them, but this is up to you. Everyone has a different philosophy about what level of relation is appropriate for breeding. Some people say it's okay to in-breed on occasion for a certain mutation, as long as it's not a common practice.
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Yes, talking to the pet store is a good idea. See if you can contact the breeder. If they are fairly distantly related, you might still consider breeding them, but this is up to you. Everyone has a different philosophy about what level of relation is appropriate for breeding. Some people say it's okay to in-breed on occasion for a certain mutation, as long as it's not a common practice.
Thanks, that's true. I asked my pet store where they get their budgies from, and it turns out to be a place I used to volunteer at (I helped socialize the baby birds)! And it's pretty close to my house, so I will pay them a visit for sure.
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Awesome! Sounds fun. Good luck.
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This is a very interesting topic. I thought about it a lot, but haven't try to find info about it. Can you give me the link to that website, please? I would like to have a look.
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This is a very interesting topic. I thought about it a lot, but haven't try to find info about it. Can you give me the link to that website, please? I would like to have a look.
For sure! Here's one website: https://www.healthgene.com/avian-dna-...-dna-relation/
And the place I volunteered at does the testing too: https://www.exoticwings.com/services/...ationship.html

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This is very interesting! I had no idea such a thing was possible with birds when no genetic records were available to know their background. Thanks for sharing!
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