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here is my Pair

The Male
it is a SKYBlue DF Dominant Pied with white eye irises and maybe Opliane too



The hen is Latino

and these are pics of thier babies



1) I want to confirm the gentics of male?
2) can latino mask any other mutations?

also i want to know how that possible
all babies are Recessive Pied although the male is DF dominant !!!

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Well I can't help with much other than to say your male isn't DF dominant pied. He must be a combination recessive and dominant pied and your Lutino hen is split for recessive pied and blue. Are you sure she is Lutino? Post a pic. I only know that I have read lots of discussion of lutino vs other similar mutations, like maybe DF spangle. I am pretty clueless on those mutations.

It would still be a against the odds to have 4 recessive pied babies because your chances of dominant pied with a sf is 50/50 dominant pieds. I guess he could be recessive pied and sf dominant pied because they are different genes. I think that's right!? Still if that's the case and your hen was split for recessive pied your chances were again 50/50 recessive pieds. They are all beautiful and I think you hit the genetic jackpot because recessive pieds are my favorite! Maybe some are pied combinations but we need more pics at different angles to tell. Yay more baby budgie pics!
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The other weird thing is that if he is opaline then all the males babies would be too. Right? Cause its sex linked? One of the blue ones looks opaline due to the blue grey on the back of him neck. My rp girl is opaline and has those same markings. I'm assuming male there based on the sex link. The other 3 must be females.

Also one of the yellow ones looks like its maybe spangle?

Let's see how bad I mangled it!
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The other weird thing is that if he is opaline then all the males babies would be too. Right? Cause its sex linked? One of the blue ones looks opaline due to the blue grey on the back of him neck. My rp girl is opaline and has those same markings. I'm assuming male there based on the sex link. The other 3 must be females.
Well since birds are the opposite of people when it comes to sex chromosomes, males are ZZ (XX) and females are ZW (XY), so actually all the females should be opaline if the male parent is opaline.

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Oh yes, I forgot that. So then maybe 2 opaline RP? I think that top yellow one is spangle opaline RP.
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Iam sure the the hen is Latino becase it had a red eye with all body color is yellow
and ithink it is a recessive pied latino . i read that latino can mask this Mutation

for the top right baby iam sure it isnt spangle at all he is just oplaine maybe combination pied

i need experts the confirms this
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The male could definitely be a combination pied, but it's hard to say without pictures from the front. Since none of the babies look like combination pieds (it would be easier to tell with more pictures), the father is probably not double factor dominant pied, just single factor and recessive pied. If the male was double factor dominant pied, all of the chicks would be single factor dominant pied, and none of them seem to be, but pictures of their fronts might reveal otherwise. I can't quite tell if your male is opaline since I'm not very good at spotting it/identifying it, but if he is then all the female chicks would also be opaline and all the males would be split for it.

Lutino masks other mutations, especially recessive ones, so she is probably split for white base and recessive pied, in fact she could even be recessive pied. Since all of the babies appear to be recessive pied, and the chance of getting even one recessive pied baby is 25% if the mother is split for it, chances are your female is recessive pied but it's simply masked by the lutino gene. When two ino genes are present in a budgie, the only mutations it does not mask are cinnamon (creating the lacewing variety) and yellowface (creating the creamino variety in albinos). All the chicks will be split for ino (lutino or albino).

The only other thing the mother could possibly be is a dark-eyed clear, which is all yellow or all white and it's a mix of recessive pied and clearflight pied. But they have dark plum coloured eyes. So your female is probably just a lutino masking recessive pied.

I hope I helped. Those babies are just adorable!!

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