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AnimalKaperz 03-14-2013 08:49 AM

Likely colours?
 
:wave: G'day. Am hoping to, if possible, pick someones brains ....

I will be allowing the following pair to breed, later this year, after the hen, Terra turns 1 - IF that is that old enough?? Johnny, the cock bird, will be about 1 as well.

I was wondering if there is any way to predict, with *some* success, what colour their babies might be.

Hen: Dark eyed clear - pure white with no colour showing at all. She has black eyes. Both her parents are blue spangles. Her Mum is a sky blue, and her Dad has more of a violet sheen about him, in the abdominal area.

Cock: He is a yellow face, blue budgie. Parents unknown. Picture of him below … he has a few yellow feathers on his body, under his wing and in his tail – I love the colouring he has! He’s blue – but has a green sheen on his tummy and a couple of cobalt blue feathers in his tail. :love:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8082/8...6710575b_m.jpg

NerdyBirdy 03-14-2013 05:04 PM

Your hen isn't a dark eyed clear, she's a double factor spangle. Dark eyed clears have to have a recessive pied parent and a clearflight pied parent split for r. pied (not always, of course, but that's usually how it goes). Does your hen have iris rings? Double factor spangles have iris rings while dark eyed clears do not, since both her parents are normal spangles I can't imagine how on earth she could ever be a dark eyed clear. If her eyes don't have iris rings, it probably just means she is too young to breed.

Take a look at her parents again, though, if one or both are clearflight pieds, there is a small possibility they are both split for recessive pied and your hen could maybe be a double factor spangle dark eyed clear! :D

Your male sounds like either a yellowface type I or a double factor yellowface type II. Judging by the picture, I would guess a yellowface type II since the yellow is quite vibrant.

If you breed these birds together, their offspring will be:
100% single factor yellowface type II spangles!
The babies will have yellow faces, sea green bodies (after the first molt) and spangled wings.

If your hen is a dark eyed clear spangle, then the offspring will be:
50% yellowface type II spangled clearflight pied split for r. pied
50% yellowface type II spangle split for r. pied
(This is assuming that she only has one clearflight pied allele, if she has two, then all the offspring will be yellowface type II spangled clearflight pieds split for r. pied).

I hope I helped, good luck! :)

AnimalKaperz 03-15-2013 05:15 AM

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MissListless said: ..... Does your hen have iris rings? Double factor spangles have iris rings while dark eyed clears do not, since both her parents are normal spangles I can't imagine how on earth she could ever be a dark eyed clear. If her eyes don't have iris rings, it probably just means she is too young to breed.
Terra, the single white female (:giggle: Sorry, have been calling her that since my sister started calling her that) is nearly 7 months old. She has no iris rings - just big, black and round eyes. When do iris rings develop, if they are going to? It was here that I was told what she is - because ... I was very confused as to what she was, since her eyes were dark and I could not find one coloured feather on her. "Double factor spangles" were mentioned - I just looked at the old thread to find the pictures - but after I posted the pics of their backs, the topic died, so I dunno - as I have said, you guys are just awesome at this. I SUCK!

Here's pics of her Mum (Ming) and Dad (Bluey) ...

Yes, I did take these next two pictures with a flash - Ming does have a much lighter coloured blue than Bluey - she's like a sky blue. Bluey's got this opaly purply blue sheen on his blue feathers, especially his abdomen. You can see he's a darker blue than Ming in the second picture.

https://i48.tinypic.com/65omqt.jpg

https://i46.tinypic.com/zbblx.jpg

BLUEYS Back ...

https://i50.tinypic.com/s5frxe.jpg

MINGS back ....

https://i50.tinypic.com/2me2tk1.jpg

NerdyBirdy 03-15-2013 11:32 AM

Iris rings usually start to develop at around 9 months old or so. They can develop earlier or later as well. :) The visible adult iris rings can be seen at 10-12 months old usually. I can't quite tell if the parents are split for r. pied as they don't show any of the classic signs of a budgie split for r. pied, and they don't appear to be clearflight pieds. So I'm sure her iris rings will develop soon enough! :)


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