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Dear all

Firstly I must apologise for not having been so active in the past months. I am currently reading for a university degree and in three months time I'll be sitting for my finals, so that is why I have been kept away from most internet activities I used to enjoy. I'm glad to be writing once again on this helpful forum.

In the meantime, my budgies don't have any study work to do so we've got new chicks at home. I am really curious as to what their proper color genes are. I would greatly appreciate if anyone could help me with this.

Parents = Cock - Opaline Greywing Light Green, Hen - Opaline Greywing Recessive Pied (Same blue as chick 1)

Here are the new chicks:

Chick 1 - Hatched 29.1.13



Chick 2 - Hatched 31.1.13



Chick 3 - Hatched 02.2.13



Unfortunately, the total eggs were five but one egg was infertile, and the other was DIS.

Would have liked to have more recent photos. Hope these will help in the identification of their mutations.

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Old 03-16-2013, 05:44 PM
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I don't know about their mutations, but they are all beautiful!!
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Look forward to read your help about these chicks' mutations
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Hi MidlandsUK

This is what you wrote in your 1st post about the parents :

Parents = Cock - Opaline Greywing Light Green, Hen - Opaline Greywing Recessive Pied (Same blue as chick 1)

Their offsprings are very straight forward to deduce the mutations. You would get 100% opaline greywings with 50% greens and 50% blues. The 2nd and 3rd chick are evidences that the daddy is split for blue. In addition, all chicks would be split for recessive pied since mum has the recessive pied genes.

Congratulations on the lovely chicks. They have grown nice and adorable.

Budgies aside, I wish you success in your undergraduate studies. What degree you're majoring in ?
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Hi Jimm-V

Thanks so much for your kind post and help.

So If I understood well, the following is what their mutations are:

Chick 1 - Opaline Greywing blue
Chick 2 & 3 - Opaline Greywing green

I guess that the types of green on the second and third chick could be deduced at a later stage when I have photos of their backs as they are now, fully grown and flying around. I can't put my finger on the type of blue on the first chick...internet searches give you the same blue colour name for different hues of blue so they left me a bit perplexed. I shall research a bit more even on the genetics guidelines on this forum.

Thanks for your wishes on my studies. I am going to major in English (lit & linguistics).

Thanks again for your help.
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You're welcome, MidlandsUK.

Due to the fact that greywings dilute the body colour by 50%, the type of blues or greens are quite difficult to identify. For instance, I knew my Jossy, a dilute mutation, is cobalt after I bred her whom all this while I thought she is skyblue but not. Her offsprings turned up mauve blue, then only I know she is cobalt blue.

Chick no.1 looks like violet in the picture you posted. This means the chick could be violet skyblue or violet cobalt. Greens are very difficult to see violet in a green body colour.

Excellent major you take in your undergraduate studies. Plenty of job opportunities awaiting you after you graduate. Good luck.
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Hi Jimm-V

Thanks so much for your explanation.

Indeed, chick no 1, the blue and white one, has a very diluted type of blue on the lower tummy but then, on the back where the wing tips intersect, the blue is even brighter. I would explain the blue in terms of mixing poster colours - I would mix blue into white to get light blue and then put in a dab of black to get it greyer.

Chick no. 2, the yellow/green one, its green is almost a very light shade of olive. It looks as if its a normal green budgie colour which has been smeared with a hint of grey over it.

The three chicks of this clutch have their colours looking as if they were in an old colour photography, you know, with those diluted and rather pastel/shady colours.

I can see the difference of the mutation when comparing them with Dusky, a female new addition this year. Her blue is the 'Dodger Blue 2' on her chest - the link for the colour chart I'm trying to match with is this - https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/cwis/colors/Blue.htm Then she has very dark and dramatic black markings starting from heard head and going down to cover, entirely, her wings. Then she has the purest white of white's face. Really distinct colours.

Whereas all the others, from my own breeding strain, are all pastel like in colour except for the bright green of PapaBudgie, the father.

Thanks for your encouragement re. the degree. You are right, English opens up many possibilities and its a wonderful subject and also a passion of mine.

Thanks again
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