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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
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Although I am a budgie breeder, I am still quite a dork sometimes when it comes to figuring out pair outcomes. I have Tyson, who is a Grey Green Normal, and Nausicaa, who is a Violet Sky Blue Opaline and I was trying to figure out what mutations their chicks will be. The only split I know of is that Tyson is split for ino, nothing else. I can provide pictures if needed, just let me know. (: Thanks in advance.

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All the females will be opaline. Unless Tyson is split for blue they will all be green. Some mix of green grey green violet. They may all look olive like my Oliver. He is a light green violet. I have no idea what the lutino split could do. Totally beyond my ability there. If Tyson is split for blue then you should have 50/50 green blue and the blues will be a mix of blue grey adn blue violet. I guess you could have a blue+grey+violet. That would be beautiful! Ooo a blue grey violet opaline. Does Tyson have any blue tinted feathers around his vent?

How fun to find out what their genetics are!
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All the females will be opaline. Unless Tyson is split for blue they will all be green. Some mix of green grey green violet. They may all look olive like my Oliver. He is a light green violet. I have no idea what the lutino split could do. Totally beyond my ability there. If Tyson is split for blue then you should have 50/50 green blue and the blues will be a mix of blue grey adn blue violet. I guess you could have a blue+grey+violet. That would be beautiful! Ooo a blue grey violet opaline. Does Tyson have any blue tinted feathers around his vent?

How fun to find out what their genetics are!
Alright, thank you! Tyson does not have any blue tinted feathers around his vent.
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All males will be split for opaline. You can expect greens and grey greens. If the male is split to blur, you can add greys and blues to that. Won't know the dark factors as the grey is masking it for dad but since mom is a sky, the darkest you could get is 1 dark factor. So, potentially, dark green, light green, cobalt and sky blue. Violet can be passed on to someof the chicks as well.
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Do you have any idea what Tysons parents were by chance?

The only thing I would like to add to what Erin said is that half of the female chicks would be lutino or albino, depending on if Tyson is split for blue

You were really close Cara!
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I totally missed the lutino statement. Oopsie.
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Thanks Lindsey! I don't know anything about lutinos, so that is really interesting. I think that will be my next mutation to research. If I ever end up teaching Mendelian genetics again I will totally be using budgies for my examples! They are such perfect for this!

So Lutino/albino is sex linked. So if a female is either then all of her females will be too and the males split for it, right? If the male is split then half the females will express it and half the males will be split. So to get a lutino/albino male the mother has to be one. Ok, I get it I think.

I totally want to breed just to play with this! Probably not a good reason! Well it wouldn't be the only reason of course.

Pate you are going to have a rainbow clutch!!
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Thanks for your help, Cara, Lindsey, and Erin. (: Lindsey, I don't have any idea what his parents were, all I know is that his brother was a grey green normal like him and his sister was a lutino. I do know Nausicaa's parents though, considering she was born right here in my house.
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Thanks Lindsey! I don't know anything about lutinos, so that is really interesting. I think that will be my next mutation to research. If I ever end up teaching Mendelian genetics again I will totally be using budgies for my examples! They are such perfect for this!

So Lutino/albino is sex linked. So if a female is either then all of her females will be too and the males split for it, right? If the male is split then half the females will express it and half the males will be split. So to get a lutino/albino male the mother has to be one. Ok, I get it I think.

I totally want to breed just to play with this! Probably not a good reason! Well it wouldn't be the only reason of course.

Pate you are going to have a rainbow clutch!!
Almost, females can't pass on sex-linked genes to their daughters, but all the males would be split, but to get visual males then the mother must be INO and the father needs to be split or visual.
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