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juniper 07-13-2013 02:40 AM

Mutations?
 
I'm pretty sure the female is cinnamon...some kind of blue, and the male is a greywing some kind of green. lol. It's hard to see the male's true color in this picture, but it is a very pale green (not yellow as it appears).

https://i.imgur.com/dPlMzNb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pdDo2G8.jpg

I know the poor boy on the left (RIP) was a pied of some sort.

CuteLittleBirdies 07-13-2013 02:48 AM

Can we get a pic of the male from the back just to be sure of his true color? :)

The female is a cobalt sf violet opaline cinnamon.

The little boy (RIP) was a cobalt violet sf dominant pied :hug:

juniper 07-13-2013 02:54 AM

Wow thank you!

I'll try to get more pics of the green boy tomorrow. He's a little more skittish than the girl and doesn't like to pose well...and my iPhone camera doesn't seem to like his color! But I'm sure he's a greywing.

That pied boy was one of the most beautiful budgies I've ever seen. I'm still trying to decide what to do with his body...I live in an apartment so I can't bury him, at least not on the grounds.

Edit: I think I can bury him in a rocky area, so long as I don't dig up any grass. Still so bummed about his death. :(

CuteLittleBirdies 07-13-2013 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by moonchild (Post 1347657)
Wow thank you!

I'll try to get more pics of the green boy tomorrow. He's a little more skittish than the girl and doesn't like to pose well...and my iPhone camera doesn't seem to like his color! But I'm sure he's a greywing.

That pied boy was one of the most beautiful budgies I've ever seen. I'm still trying to decide what to do with his body...I live in an apartment so I can't bury him, at least not on the grounds.

Edit: I think I can bury him in a rocky area, so long as I don't dig up any grass. Still so bummed about his death. :(

Sure thing! Your new boy looks like a grey green greywing... but a photo from the back would be helpful since he looks almost like a dilute in that pic too :)

If you can dig down a bit, under the rock should be just fine for the poor little guy. I am so sorry again, you did everything you could for the little guy :hug:

juniper 07-13-2013 03:44 AM

Oooh, I forgot dilutes can look similar to greywings! I'm really not knowledgeable about genetics. :o

I wonder what the babies would look like were they to breed? Just for fun of course. They're not even bonded yet.

CuteLittleBirdies 07-13-2013 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by moonchild (Post 1348001)
Oooh, I forgot dilutes can look similar to greywings! I'm really not knowledgeable about genetics. :o

I wonder what the babies would look like were they to breed? Just for fun of course. They're not even bonded yet.

Yep, they are a tricky bunch of mutations! :)

Assuming neither is split for anything, which is highly unlikely to say the least, you would get all normal chicks in light and dark green, with some violet greens. If he is a grey green, you would get some of those as well.
All would be split for greywing or dilute (depending on what he truly is) and blue.
Only the males would be split for opaline and cinnamon, since it is sex linked.

Does that make sense, or have I totally confused you? :p If you want I can find some pics of these possible combinations tomorrow :)

LittleFeatheredFriends 07-13-2013 06:01 AM

Wow, the female is so pretty! I love how heavy her markings are! :love:

I'm so sorry about your boy, I hope you find a good resting place for him. :hug:

juniper 07-13-2013 02:25 PM

Lindsey, it is confusing! lol. But, I'm sure if I was serious about breeding and sat down and actually studied genetics for a while it would make more sense.

They are both pretty but i really like the female. She's sweet, and likes it when I talk to her. The male is more feisty, and tried to bite when I toweled him to transfer him to the cage. Usually the males are supposed to be more mellow but it seems to be the other way around with these two. Can't wait until they get more comfortable around me. They're not tame but are used to people feeding them by hand in the aviary.

juniper 07-13-2013 08:32 PM

Here we go, a better picture of the boy! I've decided to name him Sprite, and the girl Truffle.

https://i.imgur.com/WxnowWc.jpg

Out of curiosity, is there any way to tell splits in budgies visually, like there is with tiels?

CuteLittleBirdies 07-13-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by moonchild (Post 1349321)
Lindsey, it is confusing! lol. But, I'm sure if I was serious about breeding and sat down and actually studied genetics for a while it would make more sense.

They are both pretty but i really like the female. She's sweet, and likes it when I talk to her. The male is more feisty, and tried to bite when I toweled him to transfer him to the cage. Usually the males are supposed to be more mellow but it seems to be the other way around with these two. Can't wait until they get more comfortable around me. They're not tame but are used to people feeding them by hand in the aviary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by moonchild (Post 1350417)
Here we go, a better picture of the boy! I've decided to name him Sprite, and the girl Truffle.

https://i.imgur.com/WxnowWc.jpg

Out of curiosity, is there any way to tell splits in budgies visually, like there is with tiels?

Both sexes definitely can act the same :) A lot of behavior that is stated as being more for one sex or the other is often wrong :p

He is a grey green greywing :)

There are a few mutations that can show a split visually in some birds (although it is not always the case) such as a small pied spot on the back of the head, or lack of iris rings in a mature bird when they are split for recessive pied. Some males that are split for opaline will have more opalescence in their neck/shoulder area etc. Most mutations you have no indication of them carrying a split form though :)


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