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I bred two of my budgies and I thought I knew what they would look like but now I'm confused... The father, Snowy, is a blue series double factor dominant pied greywing. The mother, Hari, is a green series recessive pied greywing split for blue. The babies should have been blue and green series single factor dominant pied greywings split for recessive pied, yet they all have markings that look like Snowy's... What's going on here? Will they get more body colour after their first molt...? Or did I get Hari or Snowy's mutation wrong?

It may be difficult to see, but they are all mostly clear (yellow or white) with a little bit of green or blue around their neck and on their rump. The pied markings on their wings only go halfway down their wings. They all have the classic clear patch on the back of their heads.
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I would need better photos to be sure but it looks like your cock bird is split for recessive pied because 2 of the chicks look like they are combinations of dominant & recessive pied.

The pictures need to show the wing markings of all the birds. A recent picture of the father would also help
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I would need better photos to be sure but it looks like your cock bird is split for recessive pied because 2 of the chicks look like they are combinations of dominant & recessive pied.

The pictures need to show the wing markings of all the birds. A recent picture of the father would also help
I can get more pictures of the chicks tomorrow when it's light out again. How recent does the picture of the father need to be? The one I posted is only a month or two old.
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Snowy looks very young in that picture and he doesn't look like most double factor dominant pieds. He could be a spangle dominant pied
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Could someone please explain to me what you mean by combination dominant and recessive pied, and what features in the chicks made you suspect that? (I thought Dom and rec pied combo was what dark eyed clears are!)
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Could someone please explain to me what you mean by combination dominant and recessive pied, and what features in the chicks made you suspect that? (I thought Dom and rec pied combo was what dark eyed clears are!)
Clearflight pied combined with recessive pied is what gives you dark eyed clears. A combination of dominant and recessive pied looks a lot like a double factor dominant pied but with fewer markings, pink legs (and a pink cere in males) and usually no iris rings. They're hard to spot and I'm not very familiar with them. But hopefully this makes sense.
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I finally took some pictures. They're not the best. Here's chick 1 (Tego) next to chick 2. Tego looks the most like Snowy.
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Here's chick 3 and chick 5. (Sorry about all the separate posts, I can only post one picture per reply on my iPod, which is what I used to take all the pictures).
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And here is chick 4. (He looks like chick 2).
They all have very light grey markings like their mother Hari, except for Tego, who has markings like his father.
I'll post pictures of their fronts when I can get pictures where their colours are actually visible. They have so few body colour markings that it's hard to see the colour...

Also, is it possible to visually tell the difference between a combination pied that's double factor dominant pied versus single factor dominant pied?
And how do you tell the difference between a combination pied, a double factor dominant pied split for recessive pied and just a plain old double factor dominant pied?

Also, Snowy has iris rings.
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Here's a picture of them with their tummies showing. I've upped the vibrance just so it's easier to see where the body colour is. The white chick on the very end actually has a bit of blue right above his feet but it's hard to see since his body is turned away a little.
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