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Old 10-30-2013, 10:40 PM
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The white chick is a pied. It is not a dark eyed clear which probably means the parents pied type is dominant pied not clearflight pied Both parents must be split for recessive pied

When two pied types combine (or a pied type & spangle) you will often get get chicks with very few markings.

To get a double factor of any mutation the gene must come from both parents so this chick is not a double factor dominant pied
In fact, I think this is quite logic. However, neither of its parents has any symbol of dominant pied. Father is normal blue parakeet and the mother is greywing clearflight.
But as also pointed out by someone in this thread, it is not dark eye clear because it is not whole white. So really confused.

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Hi Nev90

The OP mentioned in 1st post that 1 chick is blue clearflight pied. So the white baby must be Dark Eyed Clear (clearflight gene with 2 recessive pied genes give a DEC)
Thanks. The baby has a few blue feathers on its back of the body... Can a dark eyed clear be with some blue colors?
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The blue colour on the white baby's rump is unusual on a DEC. My guess is that the blue would disappear as the baby grows into adulthood. How big is the blue patch ? ..2 cm long...3 cm long....etc

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Thanks. The baby has a few blue feathers on its back of the body... Can a dark eyed clear be with some blue colors?
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Light marked (Opaline ??)Rec pied.Both parents are split rec pied.The bird has to be complete white with no marking or suffusion and black eyes to be DEC.I would also guess the father may be split for Opaline which also in some cases will almost void the rec pieds of markings.My guess.
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Light marked (Opaline ??)Rec pied.Both parents are split rec pied.The bird has to be complete white with no marking or suffusion and black eyes to be DEC.I would also guess the father may be split for Opaline which also in some cases will almost void the rec pieds of markings.My guess.
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The father IS split for opaline! Because the youngest sister in the clutch is an opaline.
And this bird is also a girl. I guess she may also be an opaline. But since she is white now, so the opaline is not easy to be observed on her.

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The blue colour on the white baby's rump is unusual on a DEC. My guess is that the blue would disappear as the baby grows into adulthood. How big is the blue patch ? ..2 cm long...3 cm long....etc
The patch is very small. It is actually just two pieces of hair. Thanks for going on with this thread.
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....But since she is white now, so the opaline is not easy to be observed on her.....Since her back is clear this is the clue she is opaline.Most rec pieds have irratic back markings of some sort of uneven pattern unlike Dom pieds or opaline dom pieds.I breed Opaline into my rec pieds to clear the back pattern out and give the appearance of more like a saddle back with markings on the wings and a clear clean back.
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The chick cannot be a dark eyed clear with a blue patch on it's rump.

We need a clear picture of the mother to see her mutation properly. Clearflight pieds and dominant pieds are very easily confused. Also a picture of the dad to be sure of his mutation

Also: Were there any other birds in the cage when they were breeding?
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The chick cannot be a dark eyed clear with a blue patch on it's rump.

We need a clear picture of the mother to see her mutation properly. Clearflight pieds and dominant pieds are very easily confused. Also a picture of the dad to be sure of his mutation

Also: Were there any other birds in the cage when they were breeding?
No. I only have a pair. The dad and another female are bought first, and then the female is sent away and the mother is brought into the house. They are kept together for 3 months before laying eggs. And very very sorry to say the dad is already dead. He hit on a wall one day and I thought he was good because he returned to the cage by himself and seemed normal. But he fell off the perch the next day and died in just a few hours. I always believe the hitting is the major reason of his death, because the hen and the chicks were very healthy.

I'll upload his photo. He is the blue one in the photo.
As for the mother, I didn't get many of her photo yet because this and that reason. But I think she is obviously clear flight. In this clutch she has three children. Except for this one that is hard to decide, the other two is: blue+clearflight, opaline+clearflight. Anyway, I'll upload the photo. Please tell me what do you think.




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The mother (yellow one) is very blur in every photo I can find... Sorry... That is because she is very very shy that once she see the camera or cell phone, she gets nervous and keeps going...
I'll renew if I get some clearer ones.
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