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Aisliyna 01-19-2014 06:45 AM

Clearwing or Greywing?
 
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Is Fern a Clearwing a Greywing or a full-bodied Greywing?

She is on the right

Thanks in advance

https://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/...ps85523fc9.jpg

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aluz 01-19-2014 07:10 AM

Your Fern's wing patterns reminds me a lot of my departed Tito and he was a greywing opaline. So I'm inclined to say your Fern is a greywing opaline too.

You can see him here.
https://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/...s/Fotos817.jpg

Aisliyna 01-19-2014 07:15 AM

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Such pretty wings they are too :) The only reason I questioned her being greywing is that all my other greywings are so much paler than Ferny, she's almost as bright a green as my normal light greens.

aluz 01-19-2014 07:23 AM

From what I gather from both my Tito and Tito Junior is that their colour, which is light green (no dark factors) get a neon light fluorescent light greenish/yellowish tinge due to them being greywings. The normal light greens don't have that colour. I have never had a full bodied greywing in my flock, I'm not even sure If I ever seen/identified one in real life.
I'm nowhere near being a mutation expert, so hopefully someone with a better understanding will be able to help you out. :)

Aisliyna 01-19-2014 07:26 AM

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I understand, like sort of a yellowish sheen over the body that would normally just be green? I think Full-bodied Greywings are just a combination of Clearwing and Greywing but I'm not positive on that.

I'm happy if she's a brighter than normal Greywing, just trying to get the full picture before I decide who to pair her with :)

slavik0627 01-19-2014 10:46 PM

Hello, my closest guess would be - light green diluteor greywing (body color is washed, so it can't be clearwing, also patches are not violet), also she could be split to opaline or spangle verity, depends on her parents and grandparents, that's the beauty of clearwing/greywing/dilute verities ;)
Very Cute Birdie ;)

arka 01-19-2014 11:22 PM

i think she is a light greywing because clearwings generally dont have any markings on their feathers..but your bird has some..although it is light in nature

CuteLittleBirdies 01-19-2014 11:34 PM

Looks like a light green opaline greywing to me :)

Aisliyna 01-20-2014 06:38 AM

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Thanks for clearing that up everyone!

Still doesn't solve the problem of who to pair her with though, really light on all dilute varieties after losing Bower and Quiche :(

slavik0627 01-21-2014 07:53 PM

What options do you have?
I just started breeding clearwings, and spent some good amount of time reading the web sites, so with CW/GW/Dilute variety, people DON’T recommend breeding with cinnamon or split to cinnamon, because it will wash out body color completely (unless you want pure dilutes). The best option is breed to would be back to CW/GW /Dilute that way you will keep the beauty of clear wings.
I have exactly the same colored cock, I just placed him in breeding cage with CW Cobalt hen, in couple of days (fingers crossed) I will have first egg, cuz I saw them mating and + 18 days hopefully first baby, so probably in a month I can tell you what you can get out of this combo :)

Aisliyna 01-29-2014 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by slavik0627 (Post 1835986)
What options do you have?
I just started breeding clearwings, and spent some good amount of time reading the web sites, so with CW/GW/Dilute variety, people DONT recommend breeding with cinnamon or split to cinnamon, because it will wash out body color completely (unless you want pure dilutes). The best option is breed to would be back to CW/GW /Dilute that way you will keep the beauty of clear wings.
I have exactly the same colored cock, I just placed him in breeding cage with CW Cobalt hen, in couple of days (fingers crossed) I will have first egg, cuz I saw them mating and + 18 days hopefully first baby, so probably in a month I can tell you what you can get out of this combo :)

Sorry, I missed this post.

I don't have a lot of options on who to pair my clearwings with but I'm definitely looking. I have 2 greywings, I'm pairing my sky opaline yf II greywing hen with my sky cw cock (hopefully) but I didn't want to pair my light green opaline greywing hen with my other light green cw cock because she is very small and I wanted some good sized chicks. Also she is green (split for blue) and I wanted a blue hen. It will be a long time before they're old enough to breed so I have time to figure it out!

Good luck with your pair! I'd definitely love to see the chicks :)

slavik0627 01-30-2014 09:31 AM

Hey,
Breeding CW to CW will give you smaller chicks, that’s why many breeders mix CW with Dilutes and Normals (increase in size and shape), to Opalines (increase in clarity body color), less to Spangles (increase clarity wings) and trying not to breed with Cinnamons (wash out body color and appearance of cinnamon wings in a future). But you must have GOOD pedigree on all breeding interferences with CW.
My pair has two eggs now, hopefully they are good, cuz I’m little worried that both birdies are first timers, so its high chance to have infertile eggs :(
Good luck!

Aisliyna 02-01-2014 05:50 PM

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I definitely need some good sized Opalines and Dilutes but haven't found any lately.

Will breeding spangles into the mix ruin my rainbows?

All of my pairs are first timers so I definitely feel your pain! lol I'm not expecting much from them until much later in the year.

Azurei 02-01-2014 08:15 PM

Not sure if this is much use to you as it's not a green bird but my Vic is a full body greywing, the grey bars are slightly darker than other greywings and he has no dilution of his body colour.

https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCN3748.jpg
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCN3747.jpg
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCN3758.jpg

Other greywings showing dilution of the body colour:
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCN4110.jpg
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCN4109.jpg
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0357.jpg
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0322.jpg
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...kylarbirdy.jpg
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCN3948.jpg

and the only clearwing I have had, in green which is handy! Bars were very pale:
https://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...dies/sarge.jpg

Some of the most stunning bright birds I have seen are opaline full body greywings in dark green or cobalt, a cobalt opaline yellow face full body grey wing in the local pet store really stood out, very pretty as they keep the bold colours so well :love:

Aisliyna 02-01-2014 10:15 PM

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Thanks for the pics! Your birds are SO pretty. I think I've got my head around telling the difference between clearwing and greywing but I will probably still struggle with fullbody greywing and clearwing. That's ok though, I'll learn through experience.

I have 5-6 greywings now and 2 clearwings so I should be set for a while. They are all light greens and sky blues though so it will definitely be interesting to see what happens if I get some of those darker colors going! I have a mauve opaline cock I might pair up with one of the sky girls to get some cobalts :) Thanks for the advice I really appreciate it a lot!

Azurei 02-01-2014 10:19 PM

I still struggle with the green budgies, like my smudge, his bars are green! but if he didn't have pied wings they would be grey, makes it all so confusing, also his dilution doesn't seem as obvious as it is in blues, makes my head spin sometimes :P

Cobalts are beautiful, my bob is a normal cobalt and his blue is just stunning, if you choose to breed the mauve and sky together I'm sure you won't regret it :D


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