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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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My female Albino (Ino) produced 7 eggs. 1,2,5 hit the cage floor and were destroyed. 3 and 4 have hatched they are 3 and 2 days old, 6 and 7 still eggs in the nest. She is 26 months old.

The male (19 months) is said to be a yellowface type two, greywing grey.
Pic attached - as the one used to decide his make up is from when he was about 2 months...







So the question is what can I expect the babies to be?



I think that Ino Albino is a blue based bird - but is INO a mutation - would she have to have two INO genes? if so where is the blue gene? Ino is sex linked (I have read) what does that mean.

I am guess that the male is some sort of Green based series bird.

I do not understand genetic or mutations - please suggest information that I can read to understand colors, patterns genetic and mutations - I have read the stuff here but I cannot seem to get a foot hold - I need to start with the basics.

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Old 02-09-2014, 11:12 AM
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Albino is a colour mutation, and is a white based (blue series) budgie. And yes the Ino gene is sex linked, if the father carries the gene in hidden (split form) and the mother isn't an Ino then all the ino chicks they will have will be female. For you to get a male Ino, you'd have to have a visually female Ino and a male either carrying the Ino gene or a visual Ino.

In your case, your female being albino, some male chicks will be carrying the Ino gene in hidden form. Your male budgie isn't yellow face type II, yellow faces show up on blue series budgies and yours is green series and all green series budgies are yellow based and have yellow heads/faces.
He does appear to be a grey green greywing budgie, looking at its clear feathers on the wings, he is most likely a clearflight pied. Does he have patch of clear feathers on the back of his neck?

When it comes to the mutations the chicks can have, if your female is masking greywing, you will have greywing chicks and normal chicks that can carry also the clearflight gene and depending if your male is split for blue or not, you can have green chicks or a mix of green chicks and some blue chicks as well.
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Hello. To separate sex linked to non sex linked mutation I usually remember one thing, which helped me to have some basic understanding when I have started:
For sex linked mutations - Ino, Texas Clear Body, Lacewings, ect, when you breed one of them to normal, all cocks will be splits and all hens will be normal, hens are never splits, that’s why it’s called - sex linked and of course it will be more complex situations when you have parents as splits or breeding sex linked to sex linked.
Breeding non sex linked mutations – Yellow face, Clearwings, Spangles, ect, all clutch will be split or visual, no matter what gender they are, that’s why it’s called – non sex linked.
I hope it helps with basics.

So in your case since hen is INO and sex linked and YF/Greywing male is not sex linked mutation, you might have (if nothing else is hidden, but usually it’s not the case) – On INO side all hens will be normal and cocks are split to INO. On YF/Greywing side all chicks will be splits to YF/Greywings, SO in conclusion, all hens will be normal split to YF/Greywing and all cocks will be normal splits to INO and YF/Greywing, you might get lucky and have some visuals or absolutely different variety, than I have mentioned above if their grandparents/parents had some blizzard genes in em.
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He does have a patch on the back of his head with no marking - I have read it suppost to be V shaped? It is not V shaped, but it is there - I will shee if I can post a picture tonight.
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Here are pics of the two babies; the white one is 18 days the yellow is 16 days old.
The last two eggs were not fertilized (I noticed the female rejection of the male during the last day of the laying- so not surprised they did not hatch)

Questions/observations:
1)Is it too soon to sex them?
a.White one seem to have all pink cere = male?
b.Yellow one seem to have some white to it = female?
2)Down color is white- I have read that normal chicks have grey down. It stated that white down is only on cinnamon, ino, or opaline chicks.
a.Is that correct?
3) White one has dark eyes
a.= not ino
b.= df spangle?
i.If DF spangle that mean m/f both masking spangle?
ii.SF spangle is visible(dominate) – is it not?
I keep reading and trying to learn – but it is confusing to me.

Bye the Bye – I think you are correct spot on for the father – he is grey green clearflight pied – clear primaries and the clear spot on back of head.

Thanks for comments.

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Matt, the bubs are both dominant pieds like their father. one green series the other blue series.
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