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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:00 AM
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Hello everyone, newly registered member here, kinda got myself into a little situation.

I wasnt planning on being a budgie "breeder", but my rescued birds had other ideas.
They were acquired from 2 different places, both unwanted throw-away pets.
I have had them for a few months now, and they have really come around, they look nice and plump with vibrant colors and it seems they have a certain "zest for life" now too.

I didnt know that the nestbox would cause all this, but after reading this website and other sources online, I see that I should have removed it.
But now it is too late for that.

So Im going to give it a go, Im going to let my birds raise one family and thatll be it.
I have the space to keep any babies, and to tell the truth Im kind of excited about all this.
I have now been doing lots of research into raising a budgie family, and i am pretty confident in my ability to help if i need to.

My birds have been well spoiled in the time I have had them, so i know they are healthy, its been nothing but good food and lots of play and attention.

So anyways, Im just asking for a little help with all the names and descriptions for budgies, I had no idea it was like this until I started looking around once I saw eggs.
Ive just called them "the yellow/green one" and "the blue one"... but apparently there is more to it than that, and honestly the genetics intrigue me.

So here is a couple pics of my birds, the yellow and green one is the male, the blue one is the female.
Will you guys please help me identify what mutation my birds are, and what might I expect in the way of babies?
I would love to have a baby that has the dads pattern with the moms blue.white colors, is that a possibility?

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Old 02-11-2014, 01:50 AM
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Hi There,
You have a dominant pied cock and a sky blue hen. Very pretty birds. As for babies, I will leave that to someone who knows more but it also depends on what your birds parents were as well. I've just had a surprise in the nest, a Texas Clearbody. Neither parents are a TCB but the dad must be split for one to produce a TCB chick, which you can only tell if you know the history of the bird, or breed it. Good luck
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This link can help you with your budgies, plus all other mutations if you want to have a read

https://cutelittlebirdiesaviary.weebl...lor-guide.html
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thanks!
I been reading that for the last few days trying to narrow it down, but I admit i get confused.

so is that a single or double factor pied?(im thinking single??)
and sky blue means no dark factors and normal, right?
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It looks like your male is double factor dominant pied so you'd get all single factor dominant pied babies. If dad is split for blue, you'd get 50/50 blues and greens, if he's not split for blue you'd get all greens, split for blue.
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ok, so what makes it double factor??
I thought the nice clean band on his chest and the clean band around his head makes for a single factor?
See, i just dont understand the difference, even after reading the "confusing mutations" page.

I thought the double factors were the ones with pretty much no color at all...


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It looks like your male is double factor dominant pied so you'd get all single factor dominant pied babies. If dad is split for blue, you'd get 50/50 blues and greens, if he's not split for blue you'd get all greens, split for blue.
Im seeing you say that ALL babies will be single factor pied, only the color depends on if the male is split, right?
So if and when these eggs hatch and the babies get feathers, Ill know if the male was split to blue if there are any blue babies, but in reality at this point I can expect(based on visual) to get more green/yellow pieds like dad, but they will for sure be split to blue?

Im cool with whatever the babies turn out to be, I just got to reading a little too much these last couple days....
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Yes that's what sky blue is I'm not sure what double factor is so ill do a bit of reading unless someone else can explain in the meantime. Whatever colour thy show, they will be split to the other. I'm very impatient to see what mine will turn out like and did heaps of reading too, but mostly its a wait and see game when you don't know what they are split too. For us novices anyway. The genetics of the parents will give the basic idea though, along with a few surprises
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ok, so what makes it double factor??
I thought the nice clean band on his chest and the clean band around his head makes for a single factor?
See, i just dont understand the difference, even after reading the "confusing mutations" page.

I thought the double factors were the ones with pretty much no color at all...




Im seeing you say that ALL babies will be single factor pied, only the color depends on if the male is split, right?
So if and when these eggs hatch and the babies get feathers, Ill know if the male was split to blue if there are any blue babies, but in reality at this point I can expect(based on visual) to get more green/yellow pieds like dad, but they will for sure be split to blue?

Im cool with whatever the babies turn out to be, I just got to reading a little too much these last couple days....
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By looking at his wings, they appear to have little to no markings, single factor wouldn't have clear wings like this. You can post more pictures of him front and back if you're unsure, it's a little hard to see him in the ones you've posted but his wings are clear right? Mutations are incredibly confusing, I've been trying to get my head around them all year but I'm getting better and you will too. Pieds can be tricky because sometimes more than one pied type shows up visually and that makes things even more confusing.

Yes, once you breed them you'll have a better idea of what the parents are split for. Which is pretty exciting because you never know what babies you might get
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yes, his wings are clear!
Lol, i wasnt doubting you
Thanks for the help!!
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I have found that of all the Pied budgies I have had (Dominat Pied ones) the Single Factor has a clear spot on the back of the head, while Double Factor has a band over the back of the head/the spot connects with more clear feathers... so from my veiw your male would be Double Factor Dominate Pied...
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